How about that? After criticizing President Bush for overthrowing a murderous regime in oil-rich Iraq, you now implore him to overthrow the regime in oil-rich Uzbekistan “without delay.” That’s quite a change of heart. If the President followed your advice, how would he convince your loyal readers that it’s not just another oil grab? It may not matter of course - the democratic tidal wave unleashed by the elections in Afghanistan and Iraq may topple the Uzbek government without our help.
Perhaps President Bush should have used your own words during the run-up to the invasion of Iraq: Eric Margolis, you “have utterly forgotten about political justice and human rights” in Iraq.
Posted by jkwilson at May 24, 2005 07:07 PM
I think you miss a little bit of the point, there is an ocupation army in Iraq and Afg. so the “democratic tidal wave” is more of a show. Don’t get me wrong, I whish it was real and there was peace…
Posted by WhoFan at May 25, 2005 04:12 PM
There are troops in Iraq, therefore “the democratic tidal wave is more of a show”? I don’t see how the latter follows from the former.
After the invasion of Iraq, I thought I saw elections in the Ukraine, Afghanistan, Iraq, the West Bank, and Saudi Arabia, along with pro-democracy regime changes in Georgia and Kyrgyzstan, the pull-out of occupying Syrian forces from Lebanon, and a pledge to actually have opposition candidates in the next Egyptian election.
Which “little bit of the point” am I missing?
Posted by jkwilson at May 25, 2005 04:50 PM
Jkwilson.
Relating the elections in Afghanistan to what is happening Uzbekistan is totally off the mark.The Uzbek government supported the Norhthern Alliance in Afghanistan for years prior to the invasion. Karimov was very happy with the ousting of the Taliban. In turn many of those protesting in Uzbekistan are in sympathy with the Taliban. While I don’t think we should invade Uzbekistan, Mr. Margolis is right on the money to point the obvious hypocricy regarding US foriegn policy. How can the US invade countries like Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of spreading democracy while on the other hand writing big fat checks to the brutally oppressive government in Uzbekistan? The answer is that those who co-operate with the US are allies while those who don’t are enemies. Human rights has never been the issue.
Posted by James Wallace at May 26, 2005 05:58 AM
If you think we should not invade Uzbekistan, then you agree with me, and disagree with Eric Margolis, who now wants to force regime change there. Yet I don’t see you holding our esteemed columnist’s feet to the fire.
The “hypocrisy” of “writing big fat checks?” If by that you mean Uzbekistan was given compensation for a U.S. airbase in its territory, I’m sure you’re right. Uzbekistan’s proximity to Afghanistan made it the best place to put an airbase, from which we could launch attacks against the even more murderous Taliban. The only alternative to paying Uzbekistan for the rights would be to invade Uzbekistan and put an airbase there by force - which, come to think of it, would dovetail nicely with Eric Margolis’ desire for regime change.
I guess I don’t understand your logic. You disagree with Eric Margolis, and you think the U.S. did the right thing by not invading Uzbekistan, but it was hypocritical not to do so?
Posted by jkwilson at May 26, 2005 11:58 AM
Hi Mr Eric!
haha..I just read your book…’War at the top of the world’. (seems like an eternity ago eh?). One thing I’d like to clarify with you is the fact that the Tibetan military resistance to Chinese colonialisation WAS CERTAINLY NOT inspired by the CIA as you suggest in your book…this is a chinese communist lie that is constanted parroted by them even by their propagandists today. Surely you must know this…if not you must read Gompo Tashi Andrugstang “Four Rivers, Six Ranges”…this resitance movement was entirly indigenously inspired and not a great game construct (as such).
ALSO:
I think maybe you are a little hard on India and Hinduism…perhaps you are pro Islam…the ‘full on’ Islamic warriors ceratinly appeal to many westeners. However surely, when travelling through these places you must be aware of and experience the religion which is fundimental to these eastern cultures…these realities, the very reality that people experience! (despite infiltration of ‘westworld’ reality/values). Perhaps yuo remain detached as a correspondant…rather like ‘ex pats’ do…or at least present this version of reality for your writers…for the punters so to speak. This is something that I refuse to do.
I think that you know as regards the Dalai Lama/Tibet anyway.
OM
Something that he doesn’t know….
http://www.suite101.com/discussion.cfm/ritual_abuse/111339/latest/5
This is actually the truth.
You have to become an anarchist!…the western reality despite its seeming attractions is ‘a beautiful’ sharade hiding unspeakable horrors.
Their karma is fucked Mr Eric.
Allah Akbar
I hope that Uzbek break free from Karimov, oh, how about this news….
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1492277,00.html
Seems as though the old school commys have a lot to discuss!
I don’t think that the Uzbeks should need outside military forces to achieve freedom. An Islamic state in Uzbek is no doubt a worry to china…because the same thing might well happen in East Turkmenistan.
Allah Akbar.
Posted by King Amdo at May 26, 2005 01:01 PM
Mr Eric sir!…are you there sir?…may I touch your special white skin sir?…you have nothing to fear sir, I am a Tibetan saint…you cannot catch any disease from me!
Posted by King Amdo at May 27, 2005 07:41 AM
Jk Wilson,
I will make it simple for you. I don’t think the west should invade Uzbekistan but I also think that the west should stop supporting Uzbekistan. I disagree with your posistion that the elections in Afghanistan and Iraq were the cause of political uprisings in Uzbekistan. They had nothing to with each other
Posted by James Wallace at May 29, 2005 05:39 AM
James,
The elections and uprisings “had nothing to with each other”?
Wow. So you dissagree with Mr. Margolis on essentially every major point he made. He said the protesters,
“heartened by anti-communist revolts in Kyrgystan, Georgia, and Ukraine, have launched a new jihad against the Karimov despotism.”
And each one of those revolts occurred after the invasion of Iraq.
http://deneb.bu.edu/geocities/mideastmap.gif
So I guess in your world that’s just an amazing coincidence?
Yipes.
Posted by jkwilson at May 30, 2005 11:51 AM
It’s obvious why Russia is so keen to support communist puppet governments in Central Asia. If Islamists grabbed the central Asia ‘stans, they’d be less than 60 miles from the Trans-Siberian Railroad - the sole major link between the Russian heartland and its far eastern territories. Russia would be in danger of being split in two…
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