Rampart: Yoo Hoo!! When are the summer vacations at your Maddrasa?
Posted by KaraSwart at June 26, 2006 01:54 PM
Kim Il Jong, along with Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, realize that the Iraq debacle is the best thing that could’ve happened to them. In the pursuit of legitimate but arguably unnecessary defense technologies, both nations have been and will continue to be able to exact significant concessions from the Americans in exchange for pulling back from the brink. The funny thing is, I doubt that either nation posed a threat to, or was threatened by, US armed forces. Korean and Iranian military systems are designed to cement regional power, not project it.
As for the Americans, a culture like ours cares little for the outside world or for long wars against it. Hence, such sustained commitments are politically impossible, especially after Bush’s Iraq catastrophe. Look at what Iraq is doing to GWB and his party. A war against the North Koreans or the Iranians would make Iraq look like a field exercise, and both sides know it. Kim Jong-Il and the Iranians are just cashing in on US military impotence.
Posted by chatman at June 26, 2006 01:57 PM
Re: “The Dear Leader is not crazy, contrary to what many Americans believe”
Disagree. He is crazy. Just because he is also calculating doesn’t mean he isn’t also a complete and total nut-job.
Re: “What was found were some 1980’s vintage artillery shells filled with decayed nerve and mustard gas”
Let’s be clear here. “Some” = 500 shells. 500 shells = a significant amount. Yes, it the shells are in various stages of decay, but weren’t these the very sort of thing Saddam was to have destroyed/declared under about two-dozen resolutions? While certainly not the WMD that was trumped up prior to the war, they most certainly are just another example of Saddam’s bullshit, and only further my belief that a confrontation with him was inevitable.
Interestingly enough (although not interesting enough for Eric to mention) is that today there is a UN OfF hearing today in the US. Links between Boutros Boutros Ghali, the former UN Secretary-General, and an alleged agent for Saddam Hussein will come under the spotlight when the first American trial of a major figure in the Oil-for-Food scandal gets under way today. Hopefully that assclown George Galloway isn’t far behind.
Re: Somalia
I wonder, instead of the constant barrage of America bashing, if Eric has an idea of what to do relative to Somalia? Of course, it’s a “US” problem, isn’t it? Yes, it appears that everything in this world is now a “US” problem. How delightful it must be to sit at one’s desk and deride the US for not doing “A”, for doing “B and C” not to one’s liking, and demanding they do “D”. The rest of the world?
Well, one mustn’t expect anything from them.
We’ll just pin everything on America, and crap on them when they don’t meet our lofty standards. Eric had better hope the US doesn’t get all isolationist on his ass. The world would not be better off – nor would spiteful journalists whose only purpose seems to be to bash America for what they do and don’t do.
Again, I’m not American, but if I was, I’d be mighty tempted to blow the ungrateful world a giant raspberry and let them try to figure it out themselves without our money or might. Good luck with that, world.
Posted by Bino at June 26, 2006 02:08 PM
Bino: Why do you still keep analysing EM’s dumps? He has an audience to cater to. And damn the logic! He and his sorry pseudo intellectual audience feed off each others ignorance.
Posted by KaraSwart at June 26, 2006 02:22 PM
Kara - I’m a masochistic poo-poo head.
Posted by Bino at June 26, 2006 02:37 PM
Bino, in your opinion, do Somali Islamist militias even merit American involvement? I ask not rhetorically, but because I honestly wonder… all I really know about them is that they tow a harder line than the population at large (like the Taliban), and they also have been able to bring law and order to much of the area they control. Aside from potentially harboring the next (or present) Bin Laden, or promoting piracy off Somali waters, what really could they do to provoke ongoing American military interest?
As for Kim Jog-Il, I agree with you that he’s pretty nuts. Calculating and savvy, but nonetheless nuts.
Posted by chatman at June 26, 2006 03:04 PM
The U.S. should intervene in Somalia… but only to protect women’s rights, you know, like they’re doing in Afghanistan and Iraq.
(BTW: last week’s thread of posts were about as close to Mensa as a drunken NASCAR picnic)
Posted by D. Canuck at June 26, 2006 04:00 PM
I love a ménage à trois but this is rather….
You three done sucking each other’s cocks?
Yeah? Ok…
1. Kim is less Dr.No, and more Dr.Evil, from the “Austin Powers” movies. “I want sharks with lasers on their heads”
I, about a year back, came across a Chinese newspaper which commented on China’s relations with Pakistan (very favorably) and then said, “but now have a look at our other friend… first he asks for money. And when we give money, he then shows eyes” (bad english translation… “showing eyes” means “showing anger”).
Even the Chinese, it seems, don’t know what to do with this guy, LOL.
Has anyone seen “Team America: World Police”? hahahahahaha…. Kim singing, “I’m so ronely… I’m soooo ronely…..”.
2. I seriously doubt N.Korea has the technology to mount a warhead. That little trick is rather more difficult than making the nuke in the forst place. Like Eric said, you have to harden the damn thing and you have to miniaturise it. Or else the missile will tumble on re-entry and burn up. India can’t get it right with their Agni series of missiles… they still haven’t figured out how. The Agni still “tumbles” on re-entry, which means that if they target any spot in Pakistan, then I’m safe.
If the nukes are taken out of the equation, S.Korea has 5 times the fire-power of N.Korea…. on paper.
3. Kim also loves Pizza. He once invited some pizza chef to N.Korea to teach his cooks how to make diferent kinds of pizza. They took many notes and pictures….. when the Chef left, he saw Kim had them making pizzas using Vernier Calipers. Each pizza was the exact copy of each other (as far as humanly possible). The tomatoes and mushrooms and olives and other stuff were all the same distance from each other… with exact measurements.
This isn’t normal.
Posted by Rampart at June 26, 2006 04:02 PM
D. Canuck:
About US going into Somalia… again. I’ll betcha a slice of pizza they’ll make a dog’s dinner out of it… again.
The current rate for me to get to screw an Afghan’s mother/sister/daughter/wife, is about 500 Rupees. Thats cheap. And all these women thank the US for freeing them from the Taliban so they can come to Pakistan to be hookers.
Posted by Rampart at June 26, 2006 04:11 PM
and Bino:
If you’re a Canadian, then I’m the Queen of England.
Posted by Rampart at June 26, 2006 04:13 PM
Chatman - Re: American involvement in Somalia.
No. What would it accomplish? Keep on sending humanitarian aid and leave it at that, I suppose.
Posted by Bino at June 26, 2006 04:13 PM
Rampart - please don’t ever reply to me, post to me, reference me, etc. I have no interest in talking with you in any capacity. You were a dick in the last thread, and began the name calling, and now you’re here, starting off by asking “You three done sucking each other’s cocks”?
nd D Canuck wonders why the last thread made NASCAR fans look like rocket scientists? I think we’ve found our answer.
As far as I’m concerned, Rampart, you don’t exist. This will by my last post directed at you.
Please reciprocate and have a nice life, your majesty.
Posted by Bino at June 26, 2006 04:16 PM
Ooooooooo…. So you’re breaking up with me, Amreekan? Just like that?
Oh well.
Posted by Rampart at June 26, 2006 04:22 PM
Off Topic:
Did anyone notice that Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades (the suicide bomber wing of Fatah, in case you’d forgotten) now says they have chemical and biological weapons?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885848200&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Posted by Bino at June 26, 2006 04:34 PM
Rampart: But I thought you originated from Kandahar- the gay heaven. Should you not be elighteningus on fellating?? Sadly, the Mullahs have been amiss in your education at your Maddrasa. You haven’t been prepared properly for your misogynistic heaven!! YOUR VIRGINS ARE HEReBY WITHDRAWN.
Posted by KaraSwart at June 26, 2006 04:55 PM
Hey Margolis:
Re: At Beslan, a band of desperate, demented Chechens killed 300 civilians, many children.
I bet, had those men been caught in the planning stages, they’d be dismissed as just some “Muslim Rambos who got carried away in on-line chat rooms with fantasy jive-talk”.
Posted by Bino at June 26, 2006 04:56 PM
Bino: People are apologists for terrorists- till their own get affected. I hope that does not happen with Eric’s relations, but if it does watch him write the exact opposite. Canada came quite close to a horrendous attack.These apologists are as sick as the terrorists.
Posted by KaraSwart at June 26, 2006 04:58 PM
Rampart: Do you put ‘surma’ in your eyes and a flower in your barrel? Whose bitch are you?? Afghan’s or Paki’s??
Posted by KaraSwart at June 26, 2006 04:59 PM
Kala-Sewer:
You haven’t got it. You just haven’t.
Posted by Rampart at June 26, 2006 05:20 PM
Back in the cock-pit….. it’s Kala-Sewer and Bino…!!!
Posted by Rampart at June 26, 2006 05:22 PM
The biggest proof that…. shill shill (shut up…I’m trying to type)…. sorry bout that… Muslim loudmouths are being framed can be.. SHILL…. damn it… can be seen in Guantanamo, where we sent all the useless bastards we could find (anyone with a beard) and ….. fucking bloody SHILL…. ok ok… deep breath…. and we sent them to the Americans and told them these were Taliban or Al-Qaeda or Incredible Hulk. Most of the guys there are useless…. not dangerous at all. But it suited Pakistan to fill the place with the “usual suspects” and it gave Amreeka something to show for it’s drama.
Posted by Rampart at June 26, 2006 05:32 PM
North Korea: There really is no sensible military action so talk to them or buy them off and accept that the world will never be perfect. As ridiculous as Kim’s behavior is, everyone sees through his act so its harmless. The threat exists in the way Americans politicise the issue - who can beat their chest the hardest?
Somalia: I believe two US oil companies signed contracts with the last government, some fifteen years ago. So I’d suggest that if the new government honoured those contracts then this terrorist sheltering talk would end quickly. There’s nothing wrong with the US looking out for its own self interest but it’s never honest about it. There’s always a public reason like al Qaida in Somalia! Really the new Somalia government doesn’t need to become a threat at all. If American leadership treats them as an equal and offers good relations(no strings attached) then there will be no problem. But the West will approach this developing nation with its usual arrogant hypocrisy. We never treat third world countries as equals. Which explains why Chinese diplomacy is being so successful in South America and Africa. Personally I think it’s good Somalia finally has some law and order.
Iraq: this is a simplification, as I understand it the deal between Saddam and the British/Americans after the first Gulf war was that Saddam disarm and UN sanctions will be lifted. Likely Iraq did not get rid of every little thing, however the act was symbolic and Saddam complied. The Anglo-Americans then double crossed him but they expected Saddam to fall and never had any intention of lifting sanctions. The way Saddam had been demonised in the US press made any deal impossible. The bottomline was that Iraqi oil concessions had been sold to the Russians and the French, thus Britain and America were never going to allow the oil to flow again until they’d made their regime change and seen to it that Anglo-American companies controlled the oil.
Iran: My prediction is air strikes in early 2007. The extremist leaders of both countries have been too busy painting themselves into a corner for either side to ever be able to back down. The lull going on now is simple to understand. They’ve just run out of paint and are waiting for a fresh can so they can finish the job.
Posted by Paul Whiteside at June 26, 2006 06:28 PM
Rampart,
No bet on Somalia, unless it’s one of Kim Jong Il’s pizza slices! They sound awesome!
“Hey Poppa Kim, this pepperoni tastes funny!”
“Yes, it’s the last guy who complained about the pepperoni. GUARDS!!!”
And by the way Pampart, Bino and KaraSwart:
Not exactly a professional tone you guys are setting. We’re discussing important world events - not NASCAR.
(Jeez, there I go again? What have I got against NASCAR?)
Posted by D. Canuck at June 26, 2006 07:30 PM
Lets suppose American pulled out of Korea and Taiwan and lets Chinese have Taiwan and Korea united what hell will lose, I don’t understand.
Cold war is over America doesn’t need those places then why not just get the hell out from there it will save a lot of money to U.S. and a good opportunity to build its image. Why not?
Bino: If your analysis is based on sincerity then can you do another analysis of the article and tell us what’s positive in Eric article, only if you like it.
Posted by Peace at June 26, 2006 09:30 PM
Well, I guess if things like this
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,423551,00.html
are of no concern, then why not?
Posted by SilentMajority at June 26, 2006 11:52 PM
D. Canuck:
You can only enjoy NASCAR if you’re a redneck. Ask Bino.
About Kim’s pizzas:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3559266.stm
In more detail:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/DK21Dg03.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/DK22Dg01.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/DK23Dg01.html
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 02:47 AM
BTW, all the James Bond movies can be downloaded in excellent quality from many Torrent sites. Total, maybe, 15,20-GB.
It will take me 3, 4, days.. a week maybe…to get all this crap, but Allah forgive me, I will. And I will watch them all until I blow a fuse. I also want to feel how it feels like to be like Kim.
And don’t even think of doing this on a dial-up modem. That means you, KalaSewer.
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 03:52 AM
Peace:
I totally agree. What the hell is wrong with the US? The Cold War is over. Get away from Asia, dammit.
They should also start trade relations with Cuba again. Peace, if you’re in Karachi, you can see all these Yanks buying Cuban cigars at Agha’s in Clifton (and at other places), by the truckload. So why give everyone pain for the sake of false pride?
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 04:04 AM
The situation in North Korea is extremely tragic. Starvation is rampant throughout the country. Kim Jong-Il has the same amount of power as an emperor or king in historical times, in his own country. There is no regieme on earth as oppresive as North Korea. They make Zimbabwae look progressive. Kim, Jong-il has really put himself between a rock and a hard place. Him and his father Kim,Il-Sung before created such an Orwellian dystopia , completely shut off from the outside world where the people have been fed the most ridiculous propaganda one could imagine. North Korean children’s animation shows are extremely surreal. If the dear leader let’s in information about what the actual outside world is like, the people might rise up against him in realization that they have been lied to all these years. People have commented about how large the North Korean army is. Most of the military gets about a bowl of rice a day. If they invaded downtown seoul, I imagine they would run into many of the restaurants for a good meal. If Kim,Jong-Il continues starving his people they may try and overthrow him as well. So as I said he is between a rock and a hard place.
He is using this threat of a missle launch to try to get some money from the U.S. He is not going to attack anyone. He is only interested in keeping his grip on power. If he tried to invade South Korea, he would lose even if the U.S military was not here. Yes they could blow up Seoul, but what would that accomplish? It would be sucicide for him and he knows it. In fact the United States should offer to leave South Korea as part of the negotiations. South Korea can defend itself. Starving soldiers are not very effective.
I live in South Korea and have seen the actions of many of the U.S soldiers here. Many are arrogant and ignorant and care little about the local culture. The neighbourhoods in Seoul near the American military bases are the sleeziest in the city. The anti-American resentment in South Korea is preveliant for good reason. Many Koreans want to see them go home. And really, they should. The information highway is what will undermine Kim,Jong-il’s power.
Posted by James Wallace at June 27, 2006 05:31 AM
“Young South Koreans, who do not remember attrocities and brutality of the communists”
…its always the communists, isn’t it? Do you even hear yourself Eric? What do you think were Americans there…being nice? Its “reds under our beds” again …you just don’t seem to notice it when its the communists, you always notice it when its the muslims…or somebody else. I guess Americans didn’t use all that napalm and the poison gas (aka chemical weapons) in Korea, opening fire on colums of North Korean refugees from the north (fearing they may be soldiers), killing most of that 2.5 million number you are mentioning? Just recently I was watching a British (or Canadian) documentary about that war, mentioning all this…plus the Canadian soldiers who withessed it.
But no…for you, its the brutality and attrocities of the communists …easiest to blame since nobody likes them anyway. I am pretty sure communists commited many and many attrocities in Korean war, just like Americans commited even more (since they were capable of commiting more) … just like people commit attrocities in all wars.
Korean people should remember attrocities and brutalities of war. We don’t need to be selective about it.
Posted by FromNowhere at June 27, 2006 09:43 AM
No, you’re right - it was the FASCISTS Trying to take over South Korea…
Wait, North Korea did THIS? :
“North Korean and Communist Chinese troops repeatedly violated the Geneva Convention through reported mistreatment of prisoners of war. North Korean forces also committed several massacres of captured US troops at places such as “Hill 312” on the Pusan perimeter, and in and around Taejon. This occurred particularly during the “fluid” phase of the war. During the periods when parts of South Korea were under North Korean control, political killings, reportedly into the tens of thousands, took place in cities across South Korea.”
And of course, there were also atrocities on the other side… But the point Eric was making was that the Korean war was fought between the Communist north backed by so-called “Red China” and the South.
Also, it was so long ago that some citizens of the Koreas wouldn’t remember it… Just like you’ve very conveniently left out the atrocities committed by the Japanese on the Koreans which ultimately led to the post-WW2 rift between the two asian nations.
Eric isn’t saying that there are Reds under our Beds. Maybe reread his article without your emotional filter.
Tovy
Posted by Tovy at June 27, 2006 11:38 AM
Rampart: Trust you had a good day at the Madrassa. I hope the Mullah didn’t enjoy you too much..Anyway, I am quite amused by your understanding of American-Pakistani relations. Here is how the world sees it: America asks Pakistan to bend over. The General in charge says ‘how much’. America says, bend over some more. The General says- ‘Yessir! It is hurting, but I will do as I am told. Please give me some money sir!.
Your view of American-Pakistani Relations: You think that while bending over you are excecuting a brilliant strategy. The American does not know that you are puckering your arse to hurt his entry. You are a winner!!! Yipee!!!
Have a good day at the Maddrasa tomorrow. Enjoy what the Mullah dishes out. It will help when you bend over for the Americans. ( Pity they declare you a ‘failed state’ after all the bending!).
Posted by KaraSwart at June 27, 2006 01:29 PM
Tovy:
“of course there were attrocities on the other side…”
Tovy…whenever Eric speaks of communists he always implies they are brutal, OK? When he says that “young Koreans don’t remember communist attrocities and brutality” he implies that beeing a communist means commiting atrocities and beeing brutal. Just go and read any of the previous articles and see.
Now, for the fact, its not that there were atrocities on the other side, its that most of those 2.5 million killed were killed by the other side. The same is with 5 million killed in Vietnam. Speaking of attrocities and brutality…
I am no fan of idiotic North Korean regime and their “Dear Leader” …nor of communists in general, but I’d like to put things where they belong. I am aware of Eric’s anti-communist emotions and I can spot his bias. I don’t have to re-read this article, you should re-read all others. It wasn’t just everything bad about the communists (I am speaking about communists globaly - as is Eric), they have forced many changes in the western capitalist system. If it wasn’t for the communists (or socialists) blacks might still be segregated in American society, you might’ve been still working for a buck a day. George Orwell was a communist, does it imply that he was brutal?
Posted by FromNowhere at June 27, 2006 01:33 PM
“India jiggled her buttocks like a common street dancer (whore) just after 9-11, but the US took no notice…”
Arundathi Roy (Indian author and activist, winner of Booker Prize)
I’m the one who is amused Kala-Sewer.
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 01:42 PM
Rampart: Don’t make up your own quotations. Pakistan has always been America’s bitch. You know it. In 1971, you begged them to send their 7th Fleet to the Bay of Bengal. You were in every American grouping, used and then chucked away. You ditched your friends and allies, whenever ordered.( Now, of course, you cry- please don;t leave us this time!!). India ha always followed her own course and has never been in an American or any other group. Ditto for the Chinese. But of course, Pakistan is an ungrateful bitch..
In any case- prepare for the Madrassa tomorrow. Use a lot of your soorma ( Mascara). Else, the Mullah might ask you to bend over more. No matter. Good practice for when the Yanks ask!!
Posted by KaraSwart at June 27, 2006 02:58 PM
Rampart: Thank God Arundhati, Shabana etc are Indians and thrive in the Indian democracy. You chaps would have put them behind veils and killed their talent.,,You will never progress unless you learn to respect women. I hope that the policies of one of your earlier despots ( Gen Zia) of ’ Chador & Chaardiwar’ ( This particular General thought that the women should be veiled ‘Chador’ and kept inside the 4 walls ‘Char Diwaari’)don;t hurt the Pakistani women too much. What a sorry, misogynstic bunch..and you quote Arundahati??? What a sorry chap you are..
Posted by KaraSwart at June 27, 2006 03:05 PM
Hmmmm… seems I hit a nerve with that quotation of Arundhati Roy (which is quite real, I assure you)…. LOL
Nice to see you’re no longer attacking Eric’s blogg.
You don’t even realize it.. I’ve changed your filthy behaviour.
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 04:26 PM
And oh… regarding your Indian “democracy” and how safe women ought to feel there:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/259959.stm
75% of Indian kids (mainly female) are victims of Incest.
No wonder… you can’t help being the way you are. Can you spell I-N-B-R-E-D?
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 04:35 PM
Boys and girls… now that the comic relief is over, please carry on.
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 04:45 PM
Rampart, just ignore ks’ taunts. As a previous poster noted, not rising to the bait is sometimes the best response. Only you are keeping ks alive.
Interesting to see FromNowhere being sensitive to disparaging remarks (all justified) about communism. Worked great on paper but it was a nightmare in reality, sapping the human spirit and exerting control over the masses (Animal Farm was right on). But I will grant its nicer cousin, socialism, did significantly humanize capitalism, so most advanced countries now have a meaningful social safety net and medicare, which in turn foster societal cohesion, reduce individual and hence collective anxiety, and enable time for reflection.
Bino, seriously fella, you must admit you tote the party line throughout the debates (excuse me if I missed an exception). Let me add that USA’s interventions are not all bad, or that there are other countries ready to step in and do the right things for the right reasons. The point is, the USA could be so much better to its own people, more helpful to others, and certainly more peaceful. Think about the state of the world if even half the military budget was spent on local economic and social development programs.
This blog’s focus has been largely what today’s geopolitics. Eric et al, what about the big re-arrangement coming down the pike for us all, namely climate change? The US is already casting covetous eyes on Canada’s northwest passage, challenging Canada’s claim to exclusive sovereignity, because they foresee year-round passage for their military and oil assets. Now there is a geopolitical tale in the making…
Posted by ghawley at June 27, 2006 05:28 PM
It isn’t because of his taunting… he is terrible at that… like a 10 year old. The thing is, I want to expose what he stands for. I enjoy ripping India and Indians in a public forum… I have done so many many times and I know all their dirty little secrets which they would rather you don’t talk about (like the well known Incest thing). And this guy is giving me the perfect excuse.
They are only here because of Eric’s book and because he wrote for DAWN. In a way, I feel responsible.
However, please notice, I have subtly changed my tone, substance, and the length of my responses, since I’ve got him doing all the work now. There be hope yet.
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 05:57 PM
Now then…. what were you saying…??? Amreeka might be tempted to invade Canada? Or at least pressurize it into giving up its rights?
Swear… if anyone deserves a kick in the nuts…
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 06:02 PM
You know… I’ve always thought, they should remove that Eagle from the American seal.
Put a pic of a Golden Lab up there instead.
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 06:05 PM
No.. not “Lassie”. Lassie was too smart and she got people out of trouble…
Posted by Rampart at June 27, 2006 06:07 PM
Let’s be clear here. “Some” = 500 shells. 500 shells = a significant amount. Yes, it the shells are in various stages of decay, but weren’t these the very sort of thing Saddam was to have destroyed/declared under about two-dozen resolutions?
A significant amount you say? Out of the millions of tons of munitions Saddam had lying around, 500 shells is nothing. Hell, the Iraqi insurgents probably use up that many shells in a couple of days making those IED’s. And since Saddam had a horrible logistical system, those shells were probably long lost in some random ammunition dump. Saddam had done a very good job of destroying the tens of THOUSANDS of artillery shells, rockets, and aerial bombs containing WMD’s. Above that, those WMD’s were made in Western countries and sold before ‘91. Why the hell are people blaming Saddam when the Western countries were the ones that sold it to him? Above that, there is NO proof at all that Saddam had ANY capability to even MAKE WMD’s. There hasn’t been a single WMD factory that has been found in Iraq. All the WMD’s Saddam had were given by the US or other Western nations.
KaraSwart, please read this article:
http://www.asiantribune.com/index.php?q=node/739
So, is Pakistan really bending over backwards? Cuz if it was, AQ Khan would be in US custody, the Taliban wouldn’t have a safe haven in Quetta, Pakistan would immediately stop all of its missile programs and have international inspectors go into the nuke sites, Gwadar would become an American naval base instead of a Chinese one, etc. etc. etc. I do realize that India is the one bending backwards since it is India that is being pressure to not to buy natural gas from Iran, it’s India that is being pressured to vote against Iran in the UN, etc. So think again.
Posted by crazyinsane105 at June 27, 2006 06:23 PM
Rampart: You are truly ignorant. You know as well as me the status achieved by Indian women. As painters ( Amrita Sher Gill’s paintings get the same price as a Warhol), Actresses ( too many to name), Directors ( Mira Nair etc. etc.) and not forgetting Indira Gandhi ( who divided you lot into 2 in 14 days- knife thru butter stuff).Name any Paki woman who has achieved anything in the arts?? Not because they are not talented, but because you guys are a bunch of misogynistic freaks.
Re incest, obviously your Maddrassa does not teach you math. In the link that you quote they give percentages of a sample, not an absolute number.Check the incest prevalent in your society you freaks marry your first cousins!! Talk about incest.
Re AQ Khan- you guys put him under house arrest. We make Dr. Abdul Kalam ( father of Indian missile program) the President of India. You guys did a nuclear explosion because ‘India did it’, else you wouldn’t have the balls. After India refused to send troops to Iraq, your Generallisimo took cover under that too.
Re Iranian gas- it is simple. Nuclear power is a better long term solution.Why the hell should we jeopardise the nuclear equation and deal with a bunch of rabid fundamentalists??
Go put your mascara, go back to your Madrassa and instead of getting violated, learn something.
Posted by KaraSwart at June 27, 2006 06:54 PM
James Bond hummm watch these two movies:
Prisoner of the Mountains (1997)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00008ZZ9M/qid=1151450466/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-1104219-5859211?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130
Lion of the Desert - 25th Anniversary Edition (1980)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000AQ6A0I/qid=1151450616/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-1104219-5859211?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130
Posted by Peace at June 27, 2006 07:36 PM
Nuclear power is a better long term solution.
You know absolutely NOTHING about world economics, do you? If your logic is correct, why the hell is the US so concerned about energy rich places such as the Middle East and Central Asia? Why the hell are the Chinese spending TENS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to buy natural gas FROM IRAN instead of just spending it on nuclear reactors? Why is Europe and America simply itching to get gas contracts with Iran (one of the reasons why America wants a regime change in Iran)? Why is it that Russia’s main weapons these days are oil and NATURAL GAS?
As for AQ Khan under house arrest, it’s quite laughable what you mean under house arrest. If you have any clue as to what happens to anybody that breaks the law in the Indian subcontinent and has money or influence, you should know they are still entitled to much of their freedom. AQ Khan’s network is still very much alive as is Dawood Ibrahim’s network (oh yeah, he’s the narcotic’s king that killed hundreds during the Bombay bombings and he’s still living quite well in Karachi).
As for the nuclear explosions, not everything is about being courageous. Why should Pakistan reveal all of its capabilities to its enemies (unlike India who simply LOVES to boast off its entire arsenal) India did the nuclear explosions to intimidate and eventually destroy Pakistan. The day that Pakistan did the nuclear explosion panic erupted among Indian military and civilian officials because India wasn’t expecting Pakistan to have a nuclear weapon. There was also much shock when Pakistan tested its cruise missile last August. And please, when you ask why Pakistan doesn’t have balls to do this or that, why hasn’t India tested it’s Agni III missile yet? Oh yeah, that’s right. It doesn’t want to upset it’s precious Uncle Sam.
And trust me, I’d rather be in a madarsa any day than a Hindu temple where I would probably have to drink cow pee and get violated by a naked Hindu pundit any day. So would the rest of the people on this forum. Except you.
Posted by crazyinsane105 at June 27, 2006 08:14 PM
Paul Whiteside, ever sonsider being a pundant? Your contributions are insightful. Thx.
Can we pass on the humourous but increasingly tedious India-Pakistan war of words? I declare Rampart the winner, best 2 out of 3, 4 out of 7, 7 out of 10, whatever.
Posted by ghawley at June 27, 2006 08:34 PM
I’m not sure why this thread has turned into an India vs. Pakistan slug-fest either…
Re: Incest in a democracy:
Public political freedom doesn’t always translate to private social equality. Any society where women are marginalized and family honor is more important than individual welfare would experience this, regardless of the government in place. I have no doubt that the 75% figure cited in the poll is a representative sampling of the Indian experience. However, that’s not a problem peculiar to India. I imagine if a similar poll were taken in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Nepal, Myanmar, or Egypt, the results would be very similar.
Re: Bending over backwards
Both India and Pakistan have been aggressively courting improved strategic and economic partnerships with established regional and global powers. Both think they are duping the great powers, negotiating deals that work to their advantage. To some extent, they are. It’s certainly the case with the recent nuclear deal Bush offered India, and also true for much of the military aid that flows to Pakistan (PC-3 Orions and Harpoon missiles are maritime force multipliers not teribly useful for tracking Al Queda.)
Re: Hindus drinking cow piss and Muslims being raped in Madrassas…
Who comes up with this stuff?
Posted by chatman at June 28, 2006 01:06 AM
Hear THAT Ugly? I WIN.
Thank you thank you….
Crazyinsane… don’t “talk” with this guy. He is only throwing rhetoric in your direction… he hasn’t got anything else. You only answer rhetoric with a short sharp insult. For example, when he talks about Indian women, he can only mention whores and actresses. LOL. Perhaps he isn’t aware that our Governor of the State Bank is a lady. I can give millions of examples such as that, but that will produce a never-ending list.
His India is known because of it’s Muslim monuments. For example, we made the Taj Mahal.. who the shit goes to India to see some lousy Hindu or South Indian monument? LOL
It is only his sense of historical inadequacy that is making him act like this. I say the buggers ought to get down on their knees and kiss Muslim ass every day in thanks.
Keep it short…. as you can see, KalaSewer is now trying too hard. He is going to blow a fuse, I betcha. (if he hasn’t already)
Kala-Sewer: You clearly don’t know anything about statistics and representative sampling. The sad truth is you are from an Incest ridden country.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/853544.stm
Believe it.
Peace:
Thanks for the movies, but until they are released as Torrents, I can’t get them.
Paul Whiteside:
Please don’t turn into a Pundit. There are better things to do in life. (women, food, and cars, for example)
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 01:37 AM
Chatman sez: “I imagine if a similar poll were taken in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Nepal, Myanmar, or Egypt, the results would be very similar.”
You wish…!!! LOL
He also asks: “Hindus drinking cow piss….
Who comes up with this stuff?”
Discovery Channel.
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 01:49 AM
Why ask “who comes up with this stuff” when you know I already have the answer to such things?
http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/cowurine.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200503/s1313731.htm
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 02:51 AM
Rampart and Karaswart,
The rest of us do not care about Indian or Pakistani nationalism. As I said before if you keep fighting each other, you’re both losers. You share a common culture. If you want my opinion both Islam and Hinduism are backwards belief systems that are no longer relevant(along with other traditional systems). The subject this month was about North Korea not south Asia. Why do you always bring up your nationalist views instead of sticking to the subject. I hope other people on this blog feel the same way I do.
Posted by James Wallace at June 28, 2006 04:37 AM
Hear that Kala-Sewer?
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 05:17 AM
James Wallace:
To be fair, I did stick to the subject about N.Korea and did more than my fair share. Did you read “I made a pizza for Kim”?
The Indo-Pak muck was only like that toy-whistle you get out of a packet of chips, nothing more.
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 05:24 AM
Houston, we have a problem….
1. KalaSewer does not care what anyone else on this blogg thinks. He came here to bring it down, he admits.
2. I will not let nonsense about my country or religion go unanswered. Neither will any other Pakistani here.
So…. James Wallace… you will just have to bear with a little dose of our muck.
What I can do to compensate, is to make it as entertaining as possible. Think of it as comic relief.
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 06:11 AM
Comic relief ….or like a sugar coated pill full of shit…. no problem as long as it goes down easy and stays there.
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 06:25 AM
Have you noticed I have a bit of multiple personality disorder? Many bright people do… no reason to think any less of me.
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 06:28 AM
James Wallace:
Happy?
This is an editorial from G2mil, a source I like to read from time to time. This is from 2001… before Kim got his nuke equalizer. Still, it has relevance:
The ludicrous part of the Quadrennial Defense Review is the “requirement” to defend South Korea. The big secret is that no American military resources are required because the South Korean military is five times more powerful than North Korea. South Korea has more than twice the population, thirty times its economic power, and spends three times more on its military each year. South Korean forces are much better trained, equipped, and supplied than the rag tag conscripts in the North; who spend much of their time harvesting rice. South Korea has mined and built concrete fortifications along the mountainous DMZ to make a rapid breakthrough impossible. More importantly, China and Russia trade heavily with South Korea and provide no help to the fragile regime in the North.
This is shocking to most Americans, even those in the U.S. military. For fifty years Americans have known the image of the fearless North Korean superman.
The U.S. Army knows the North Korean threat is bogus, which is why it has Burger Kings at camps near the DMZ, but no roadside bomb shelters in case of attack. South Korea is unconcerned, it spends less of its GDP on defense than the USA and has made the DMZ its top tourist destination. However, South Korea profits from $5 billion a year in U.S. military spending, so it works with the U.S. military/industrial establishment to perpetuate the mythical North Korean threat. North Korea is unstable and could commit suicide by attacking South Korea. However, no American military forces are needed to defend South Korea, and blatant lies to the contrary represent the disgusting corruption in the Pentagon which poses a greater threat to American national security.
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I say, Amreeka should bomb the North with Pizzas.
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 08:19 AM
In fact, better yet, Amreeka should get out of Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc. and ask Kim to open a chain of Pizza joints all over the US. Seeing the inedible nonsense that passes for Pizza from the likes of Pizza-Hut, etc. maybe Kim’s Pizzas will really take off?
He just wants attention (“I’m so ronely…” from the movie, Team America)… give it to him.
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 08:34 AM
Oh and before I forget…. Kim also has an obsession with Godzilla… maybe more than 007. He forced his kidnapped S.Korean Director make him a N.Korean version of Godzilla. I saw the clip on.. I think it was the History Channel… I thought the special effects were pretty neat.
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 12:46 PM
So let’s say North Korea DOES test it’s missile. What then? What options will the US have? Forget shooting it down because the US missile defense shield is quite useless against most obsolete missiles. So what options will Bush have? Besides bombing the regime with pizzas?
Posted by crazyinsane105 at June 28, 2006 01:52 PM
None that I can see. It would be extremely stupid to attack N.Korea in any way.
The only option open for Bush is to invade Canada. Or choke on another Pretzel. Or declare victory over Iran/Iraq/Afghanistan/Antarctica.
Posted by Rampart at June 28, 2006 03:08 PM
Thanks for getting back to the subject Rampart. Bombing North Korea with pizzas is not a bad place to start but unfortuneatley the people who need the food probably wouldn’t get to enjoy them. The US needs to engage the North one on one. The more information that gets into North Korea the better. There may be a serious power struggle once Kim dies. He hasn’t chosen a succesor yet
Posted by James Wallace at June 28, 2006 07:44 PM
North Korea is a sad country, no offense. I mean, if Kim Jong iL dies, some other nut job is going to come and replace him.
Here is something interesting I just thought up of: how much would China benefit from a unified Korea? In my opinion, a lot. Both Korea and China have an extremely deep hatred towards Japan. Together both can be powerful allies and push out US influence from Southeast Asia. What do you guys think about that?
Posted by crazyinsane105 at June 28, 2006 09:03 PM
craztinsane105 (reat name) - I don’t know if the south would want to reunite. The south would take a big financial hit that would take years to absorb, plus the south would be inundated with economic refugees. Yuk. So it would be a trade off between reunification of an alienated family for racial and compassionate reasons versus keeping a fairly robust economic status. Which self-interest would prevail if the choice were presented?
Posted by ghawley at June 29, 2006 03:26 AM
James Wallace:
A few questions….
1. Is Kim married?
2. Does he have kids?
3. Do his kids get the same 12 Rupee haircut as Daddy?
If yes, then successor is no problem.
Crazyinsane:
Yes, China will benefit from a united Korea, but I don’t think China will like the two Koreas to get together right now. The Americans in S.Korea, Okinawa, Taiwan, Guam, are a threat to the Chinese and N.Korea targeting the Americans (as long as they are there) is just fine with them.
But then, the Chinese keep surprising eveyone. Maybe they will help Korea unite and so pushing out the Americans automatically?
Ghawley:
It would be economically hard for S.Korea, but they will do it if a real chance of re-unification is there.
Posted by Rampart at June 29, 2006 04:44 AM
America’s response? The Bush people will do what they do best: they’ll whip up lots of fear amongst Americans and throw even more money at the military to upgrade their missle defence program. They may even bring down the US economy before 2008, preventing conservatives from blaming the upcoming fall on any future Democratic President.
Posted by Paul Whiteside at June 29, 2006 04:33 PM
Paul, Paul, Paul…
There I go, thinking you’re a sharp cookie, then you say… “preventing the conservatives from blaming it on any future Democratic President.”
C’mon man, how long you been around?
You can find conservatives still blaming Clinton for decisions that Bush made! They have no shame when it comes to lying and promoting hatred. In more honest days such people were called fascists.
Posted by D. Canuck at June 29, 2006 07:49 PM
Well, there is one aspect of a potential Korean reunification that could defray some of the initial economic costs; demobilization. Right now, a tremendous amount of each country’s resources go toward maintaining militaries on either side of the DMZ. A reunification would make the bulk of these forces unnecessary; I imagine the 1,000,000 N. Korean soldiers and 500,000 S. Korean soldiers could easily be consolidated into a unified Korean army of less than 300,000 troops. The savings from that consolidation alone would provide some of the capital needed to begin a phased economic bailout of the northern side.
As an added bonus, many of the soldiers would not even need to leave their bases along the DMZ, since they could act as useful control points for managing the flow of North Korean refugees into the South.
Posted by chatman at June 29, 2006 09:46 PM