CHINA AND INDIA: WAR OF THE WORLDS
August 29, 2010
Will there be a major war between China and India? That’s the 64,000 rupee question addressed by the highly respected British magazine “The Economist” in a major article in their 21 August issue. The “Economist” warns that the long contested border between the two giant Asian rivals risks sparking future clashes or even a full-scale war.

I know something about this subject, having authored a book about it a decade ago, “War at the Top of the World,” that warned of the dangers of a future war between China and India. Today, their combined population has reached a staggering 2.3 billion.    
 
My book was directly inspired by meeting the Dalai Lama. In the mid-1990’s, I heard him give a long, very interesting speech on the Indian-Chinese border conflict, which I had studied in depth as a result of my deep interest in the grand strategy of the Himalayas.

The audience that came to hear His Holiness expected to hear a warm, fuzzy talk about the meaning of life. Instead, they were totally bemused by the Dalai Lama’s discussion of the Tibetan-Indian border that had been drawn by Imperial Britain with no regard to China. 

I was the only person in the audience to understand the subject or to ask questions about it.   After, His Holiness took me aside and we talked at length about the contested border, from Ladakh and Kashmir in the West to India’s Assam and Northeast Frontier Agency (today Arunachal Pradesh), and Tibet’s future. 
 
We also talked for a long time about cats, but that’s another story that will be in my next book.

So from my encounter with the Dalai Lama came my first book, “War at the Top of the World” (now in its fourth, revised edition), which also covered then little-known Afghanistan and the endless conflict between India and Pakistan.

In my book, I predicted that the first major crisis of the 21st Century would occur in Afghanistan

When 9/11 occurred soon after ‘War” came out, I was swamped by calls from the media to talk about Afghanistan and a certain Osama bin Laden.

“How did you know?” everyone asked me in amazement.

“Because I was watching that part of the world when few others were doing so,” came my reply. 

In 1962, India moved troops into remote valleys on the eastern Himalayas claimed by China. Beijing proclaimed it would “teach India a lesson.”

It certainly did. Marching over the high mountains, Chinese troops quickly outflanked static Indian forces – as they did with American troops in Korea in 1950. The Indians were routed. The People’s Liberation Army took much of Arunachal Pradesh, and stood before tea-producing Assam. From there, it was only a short distance to Calcutta. 

Satisfied by his “lesson,” Chairman Mao ordered his troops to withdraw.

Proud India was humiliated and deeply shocked. Since then, India has built up its forces in the region to over three army corps of 100,000 mountain troops, backed by high-altitude air bases and a network of new roads and supply depots.

The long, poorly demarcated border has been tense ever since. India claims two large chunks of territory in the west held by China: Aksai Chin and a portion of Kashmir given by Pakistan to China. Both are over 15,000 ft altitude. I have explored both frozen wastelands.

On the eastern end of the Indo-Chinese mountain border, known as the McMahon line,

China claims most of Indian-held Arunachal Pradesh.  

India has only grudgingly accepted China’s 1950 takeover of Tibet and has harbored anti- Chinese groups dedicated to liberating the mountain kingdom.

India sees the growing array of Chinese bases in Tibet as an extreme danger. China’s air, missile and intelligence bases in Tibet look down on the vast plains of India. 

India’s leader, Jawaharlal Nehru, once complained of this danger to China’s Premier Chou Enlai. Chou laughed and retorted, “if I wanted to destroy India, I would march 100 million Chinese to the edge of the Tibetan plateau and order them to piss downhill. We would wash you into the Indian Ocean.”  

Tibet controls most of the headwaters of India’s great rivers. Delhi has long feared that China may one day dam and divert their waters to China’s dry western provinces.

Other serious potential flashpoints exist. India’s old foe, Pakistan, with whom it has fought four wars, is China’s closet ally. Beijing arms Pakistan and has built up its nuclear arms program.   An Indian-Pakistan war over divided Kashmir, or an Indian intervention in a fragmenting Pakistan or Afghanistan, could draw China into the fray. A new port in western Pakistan at Gwadar will give China port rights on the Arabian Sea.

Burma (today Myanmar), on India’s troubled eastern flank, which is rent by tribal uprisings, deeply worries Delhi. Strategic Burma is rapidly becoming an important forward Chinese base. A new road links China with Burma, and provides China’s navy a badly needed port on the Andaman Sea, an arm of the Indian Ocean.
 
India believes China is trying to strategically encircle it.

To the west, Pakistan; to the north, Tibet; to the east, Burma. To the south, China is busy cultivating Sri Lanka.  

In spite of million man armed forces and nuclear weapons, India feels increasingly threatened by China’s rise.   The Indians know full well that China expects obedience from its neighbors.   Even a small border clash between these two arrogant giants could light the fuse of a broad and very frightening conflict. The scramble for oil and gas offers ample causes of yet more conflict in Central Asia and even the Gulf, where today America’s rules supreme.

Such was my prediction a decade ago, and I’m sticking to it.
 
Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2010 
Wascally Wabbit
Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:25 AM
Eric - great piece. I posted links on my Myspace and Twitter accounts.
BTW - one typo - last line - s/b sticking!
Chris Topple
Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:13 AM
Classic Margolis piece, rich with information, first hand experience, and analysis. Very prophetic.
Cicero
Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:24 AM
The center of gravity in world-power is quickly shifting.The cartoon I saw in a magazine in the thirties of the last century is slowly beginning to make more sense.It showed a Chinese with a whip forcing a person of color into a cage with the caption underneath,which read "The yellow danger".It made a big impression on my young mind,because at the time I was only seven and loved reading about history and geography.But at that time there had not even been a second world-war,much less a nuclear bomb.It was even before The Netherlands mobilized in 1939.I remember hearing my dad and my uncle discuss that topic,which I of course was too young to understand at that time.History and politics were the main topics of discussion in our family.I can`t help but wonder now,if the US dancing the tango with India lately,even to an off-beat tune,has anything to do with it.Is it any wonder I love to read Margolis` view on things in the international arena of politics?His writings mesh perfectly with my life-experiences.
lo_sciacallo
Sunday, August 29, 2010 1:06 PM
Isn't it interesting how the media and others are always screaming about how people who say these sots of things are "Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists" until they happen as said. Then they want to know "How did you know?". If the journalists in the Mainstream Propaganda business were doing their jobs all along, they would know before anyone else, and would then be in a position to tell the rest of the world - like our good friend Eric M.
Archie Knaud
Sunday, August 29, 2010 6:54 PM
Eric is most likely right about all this however I do hope he isn't because that could be the worst war of all time.
Spitfire
Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:02 PM
Thanks for another fantastic article!! I always enjoy your insight and info on what is happening in other parts of the world that are not readily published,nor brought to our attention.Thanks for sharing your valuable knowledge as well as your experiences.
DoDaCanaDa
Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:51 PM
I've always admired Eric's ability to convey complicated geopolitical strategic developments in terms most readers can understand. I'm still waiting for him to come out with an authoritative analysis of the Middle East situation as it is Today.

But Eric did reveal his simple secret, "Because I was watching that part of the world when few others were doing so." I read the Jerusalem Post and Haa'retz daily, and many other newspapers in the world as the Internet now affords us all to do. Western media usually only covers the news after an explosion. It takes interest and deductive reasoning to develop some insight into what direction the world is taking and what the Future has in store.

This China-India-Pakistan scenario Eric sees is not developing in a vacuum. Taken in conjunction with dwindling oil supplies, increased demand, and the now probability the global economy actually did collapse in September 2008 and all world government's deficit stimulus spending to keep the illusion going and buy time may now be arriving at the end game.

This is not a new view, but the world seems to be on the path to it,

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Revelation 16.

Now the picture is 3 unclean spirits or devils using a false prophet to lead the world to it's self-destruction and we have 3 religions in conflict, all meeting in Jerusalem, where Christ was crucified.

This is in Today's Jerusalem Post,

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu rushed on Sunday evening to distance himself and his government from Rabbi Ovadia Yosef’s death wish for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian people, after the flood of angry Palestinian reactions to the comments.

“These words do not reflect the approach of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, nor the position of the government of Israel,” the Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=186372

This reveals there is an inherent conflict between a Democratic Israel and a Jewish State or Theocracy, at war with the other Theocracy in the area, Iran. If that explodes, in the world confusion, Eric's scenario with China, India and Pakistan will be Act II in short order.

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-402662

Ray Joseph Cormier
Market Socialist
Monday, August 30, 2010 3:01 PM
Who would benefit the most out of an India China brawl.....you guessed it, the crumbling empire of the USA itself. Let me paint the picture, India and China go to war, eshaust each other out and presto, the USA fills the vacuum and controls the “World Island” according to Brez...what ever his name.
There is only one problem, those dumb third world Chinese and Indians have gotten a smart, in fact a lot smarter than us. Does anyone really believe that they will play into the hands of the Anglo-American-Zionist plans to shut them out and control the resource they need while the aforementioned Power Elite collect more billions through financial alchemy. I think not. These peoples developed advanced civilizations 5000 years ago when us European were busy defecating the forest.
Archie Knaud
Monday, August 30, 2010 3:52 PM
You are right.These nations are not stupid and will not become part of the Anglo-American-Zionist plan to enslave the world.Also, I confess,I still defecate in the forest.
MiG 15
Monday, August 30, 2010 4:52 PM
It would be interesting to see what the United States would do. The US as cornered the market for global wars and a conflict like this would put a crimp in America's lifestyle. They seem to hold the trademark for war. By the way, I don't listen to Glenn Beck, I listen to Jeff Beck, "Blow by Blow" (1975), simply awesome.
Mike Smith
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:54 AM
I'm more of a Stevie Ray Vaughan fan, but yes.... Beck is awesome
Mike Smith
Monday, August 30, 2010 6:55 PM
My opinion,

China wouldn't start a war with India, but would likely finish one faster than most may give them credit for...

Given that if they didn't successfully paint China as the aggressor, any conflict started by India would fracture the country, tearing it along cultural, political, and religious lines at the first setback. Picture the boxer rebellion X 50.

I think China will in concert with Pakistan dominate... or at least strongly influence what becomes of Afghanistan. Pipelines will be built, but I suspect they will run East across Kyrgyzstan. into Mongolia and not South to the Indian ocean. The Chinese have the cash to secure oil in central Asia, and by angering the locals off the least I think the means as well.

Securing sea trade routes is less of a priority for China, but something they will continue to do as well. In another five years, I doubt the Americans will have any means at all to even worry China, while spending a fraction the Americans do. Even the vaunted US Navy, the primary instrument of US foreign policy enforcement will not show their ugly faces off Chinas shoreline.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/ap_on_re_as/as_china_us_carrier_killer

Perhaps China will be the voice preventing an attack on Iran

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-08/china-embracing-iran-raises-reliance-ship-costs-as-un-sanctions-take-toll.html

They seem to be winning there as well

But still, China will avoid war...

and why not, they are winning the peace
Warren Metzler
Monday, August 30, 2010 9:09 PM
There are several problems I have with this analysis. One is that China under Mao had nary a concern about the stability of rest of the world. China of today has a major concern about the stability of the rest of the world; not just to ensure it sells the goods it produces, also because much of its daily functioning depends on world transportations systems working efficiently, and the countries from which it obtains much of its raw materials are sufficiently stable to keep pushing out those materials. Further, the trillion dollar plus it holds of US securities is a lot of money to that country. I realize it is inevitable that China give up it communist government soon, because it cannot maintain that government and not have major problems due to internal conflicts in the majority of its citizens; those conflicts eventually resulting in an unworkable political system. And that during the crisis that leads to a change in government, China could strike out at a country like India as a diversion. But I believe that current China is too involved in the world economy for that to occur.

India in 1962 was a young kid throwing its weight around, like grade school boys love to do. India today is a mature adult, fully involved in the world economy, needing for the world economy to be stable to keep all the juices flowing at home. Most of India's major capitalists have much of their money invested outside of India.

Third, the US holds the key to world peace. If our government, an extension of our citizens, gave up its war like behaviors, brought home all our troops from overseas bases, decided that a strong military is a major impediment to peace, and decided that it was ALWAYS improper for the US government to try and get another country to function as we like, I believe the rest of the world would slowly change in that direction as well. Our country can change; because all politicians are limited to acting within the confines of the world views of the majorities of the citizens, even though those politicians don't realize it (it happens through spirit to spirit communication). So let's put our individual energies into getting our fellow citizens to give up their war like ways, and hasten the emergence of the new world.
Mike Smith
Monday, August 30, 2010 11:47 PM
" the US holds the key to world peace "

I do believe you and I live in different worlds.

It is hard to name a post WW2 conflict that the Americans didn't either start, supply, or provoke....

Perhaps they are the key in the way that the US slide towards Fundamentalist Christian Extremism / Fascism may hopefully band the rest of the world together in order to confront / bomb them out of existence...

Maybe World Peace is possible

Palin in 2012, Maybe one needs to lose all hope before the light at the end of the tunnel appears

Raven 101
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:26 PM
The bigger problem is not the current role of America (whether you see it as war mongerer, democracy's top cop,or the planet's "moral majority") , it is the manner by which America will handle it's fading influence, politically, and economically. It is fool hardy to believe that "developing nations" such as India and China both of which have an economic interest in America's well being...would put their own interests on the back burner simply to appease a distant "customer" Fact is that with a billion people each... and a struggle to obtain a share of the earth's finite resources and limitied supply routes a conflict is inevitable...and in this case the only pragmatic hope is that neither side is foolish enough to believe that pushing the "button" is a solution
Mike Smith
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:11 PM
The thing is I believe at some point, they will not have interest in Americas well being...

The degeneration of the US as an empire is going more like Rome than say Britain.

It doesn't seem to matter which party is in power, a constant state of bullying and making threats in a attempt to maintain control will accelerate the downfall.

One day China will say enough, sell off all the toxic assets they hold and cut the US loose.

The inroads they are making in Latin America, Europe, and with Russia provide less troublesome markets for exports, as well as natural resources ( well maybe not Europe )

China is increasing its presence in Africa as well...

I predict they will dominate Taiwan and Japan within the next decade. Taiwan will suffer as Cuba did when the Soviets fell and wind up in a fashion reunited with the mainland.

Japan on the other hand with its aging population demographic, and xenophobic immigration policies will collapse from within until the Chinese simply buy them out.

India could not win in a war with China. Hard to believe they would be foolish enough to think otherwise

What does India possess that China would want badly enough to go to war over?
More trouble than they are worth would be my guess....

The biggest risk of conflict is Pakistan... would China go to war to protect them ?

What will India do when the US abandons Afghanistan ?

How would an attack on Iran figure in with Pakistan? or China for that matter...

and then we are back to whether or not the Americans or Israel will start another war deciding the fate of the region...

Archie Knaud
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:45 PM
Two comments:China is having alot of trouble keeping itself together and will probably find her self in a civil war before this century is over.Secondly India has ignored social justice too and now has a huge problem with a grass roots uprising in the eastern states which is treatening her national security.All is not well in the worlds two most populated nations even if their economies are growing by leaps and bounds.Peace is the only viable option,in my opinion.
Mike Smith
Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:40 PM
India, I am in complete agreement with you...
Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, Tamil... regular powder keg

China I am not so sure... they have suffered civil war in recent enough past to still have the consequence ingrained in their memories...

Plus China has been fairly proactive in many ways, and will likely continue to evolve...

Their reactions / rescue efforts with the several recent natural disasters comes to mind. Puts FEMAs Katrina efforts to shame.

Healthcare in China has made dramatic improvements despite the obstacle of their huge population
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_health-care_in_China

Efforts to pursue solar and wind power in China have been huge undertakings

They might hammer dissidents, but I think they are doing a good job keeping things together, and will continue to do so. They know the consequences of losing control, with what happened in Russia when the Soviet Union collapsed being an example. Picture that chaos times 100, slow reforms are better than things coming apart, especially with that many people.

Paul W
Thursday, September 02, 2010 11:53 AM
I would suggest that China's internal situation is a bit similar to America's 100 years ago. Instead of being run by Robber Barons, China is run by a political class which no longer has any similarity to communism. As America managed its social inequality peacefully, I expect China shall do the same. Only extremists embrace violence and most people are not that extreme. Don't expect a revolution in China any more than one in the USA - where there is probably a greater need for one.

Though I'm troubled by the amoral way China is wheeling and dealing around the world - like with the Mugabe regime in Zimbabwe - I understand their long sighted strategy. Unlike me, they have a large country to provide for and can't have the luxury of being idealistic. Of course China is run by people with the goal to do what is best for China. On the other hand, the West is run by corporations which have the simple shortsighted goal of maximizing profits. Even an attack on Iran can appear to be attractive when the immediate effect will be skyrocketing oil prices and a huge bonanza for certain corporations. Meanwhile other corporations will reap the benefit of increased sales to replace military hardware.

As for this talk of democracy, I would not wish western democracy as it now exists on anyone. The democracy of today is simply a governing structure where fear is used to control voters.
franc black
Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:10 PM
Nice. Hey Paul W, maybe it's your turn to write a book. If you have already, please share the link ...
Mike Smith
Thursday, September 02, 2010 4:13 PM
Sure we can questions Chinas dealings with Zimbabwe, but two things....

The Americans have been and are pals with worse, and will continue to be...

and they will be in a unique position when Mugabe kicks, remember he is 86
in a couple years, things will change. With respect and not backing someone into a corner for how it plays at home
http://www.afrik-news.com/article16998.html
We will help you out, but you will pay your loans... seems reasonable to me

Doing trade and business is a very different thing than subsidizing weapons sales at pointing them at their neighbors...

Perhaps respect will provoke more reform than the threats and rhetoric we are so used to seeing in the west
Paul W
Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:40 PM
Thanks Franc. I think that was a compliment. Excuse my surprise because i don't think I have as much to offer as some of the other intelligent posters here.

Mike, very fair points. I can't help but be disappointed that the chinese communists have turned into very capable capitalist, with all the moral ambiguity that entails. Some of us had hoped Mao's revolution would find something better rather than copy and improve upon the western imperial model.

Yes America has maintained its moral superiority throughout its history simply by its arrogant belief that it is morally superior. The truth contradicts at every turn. Good luck selling that narrative to anyone in the west. We're all white, christian, democratic and we live so well that we must be better than anybody else! To be fair, hundreds of years of programming makes recognizing the truth challenging for most westerners.
Mike Smith
Friday, September 03, 2010 1:17 AM
I have great hopes for the Chinese... they may flirt with Capitalism but I think they may be the ones to find balance between the two philosophy's.

I think Mao's revolution has evolved ( particularly post Mao )
and I hope it will continue to do so...

True the more one reads on Western Politics, and history the ambiguity's and hypocrisy seem to jump off the page... but the same thoughts occur reading the little red book

but if we learn from our damn mistake and stop doing them over again...
that is our true challenge I think

btw you have lots to offer
DoDaCanaDa
Friday, September 03, 2010 8:05 AM
Isn't it ironic? The former Communist Nations have the cash, and the chief Capitalist Nation has the unsustainable debt.
Mike Smith
Friday, September 03, 2010 12:31 PM
Even more ironic when the Americans look at an increase in Chinese defense spending and bitch and moan about " They are starting a new arms race "

but one does explain alot of the other doesn't it

A little too ironic.... don't you think ( Now I have Alanis on the brain lol )
franc black
Friday, September 03, 2010 3:56 PM
... or does the irony lie in our terming them 'Communist' and 'Capitalist'. Maybe a new lexicon will emerge to accomodate these shifting realities. Any good literary references out there?

Despite all the written rules and guidelines (constitutions, laws, and such) we're trending back to an age where power structures ruling by impression and force are outcompeting those that follow closer to the 'high road' of leading through knowledge and collaboration. I don't think it's naive to think that we could be doing much better collectively.

Hold onto your seats, this ride could get rough even for those of us tucked away in comfy North American suburbs.
Archie Knaud
Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:01 PM
Lately,I have come to believe that most people think of China as one country rather than an Empire.It has always been my belief that China was held together at gun point, so to speak and would fly apart if the guns were lowered.Maybe this is an old idea and China is now united. If so I stand corrected.
Mike Smith
Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:51 PM
I think that idea was largely developed by the American media machine...

and that we in the west struggle to understand the east

http://www.everyculture.com/Russia-Eurasia-China/Introduction-to-China-Unity-and-Diversity-in-China-Today.html

I think from the article ( and other things I have read ) that China is open to multiculturalism... up to the point it starts to cause trouble then out come the hammer.

and rightfully so, if China went the way of Yugoslavia... that would be incredibly bad

on the other hand, if they can open up diversity without derision... they will be stronger for it
I hope I am right and that is the way they are going.
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