OBAMA’S VERY LONG TO-DO LIST
November 10, 2008
Americans did not `liberate’ Iraq, but they certainly liberated their own nation last week by sweeping the Republican Party from power. One prays America’s long nightmare of foreign aggressions, fear, religious extremism, and flirting with neo-fascism is finally at an end.
The humiliated Republican Party appears to be marching off to richly-deserved irrelevance in the backwoods of rural America. The image it leaves behind it, as this column has been saying since 2001, is one of blind arrogance and transcendent stupidity. The party’s dimwitted leaders became tools of the military-industrial-petroleum complex and scheming neoconservatives whose primary political and emotional loyalties lay in the Mideast, not North America.

A forward-looking Democratic Party that represents America’s increasingly mixed racial future is triumphant. While other Democrats could also have won the election – at a time when the Republicans were detested and mocked – Obama ran a brilliant, flawless campaign.

As a senior Republican rightly remarked, `Obama has run the best moderate Republican campaign since Dwight Eisenhower!’ Democrats occupied the political center while the Republicans were left with the wilder fringes of the right and far right.

President-elect Barack Obama, formerly the `skinny little kid from Hawaii with the funny name,’ has shown the world that America, for all its many faults and problems, is indeed a nation of opportunity, justice, and human decency. Eighty percent of Americans are white but they elected a man of color, or mulatto, because of his patent intelligence and vision. Obama’s victory does much to ease the national historical disgrace of slavery.

People around the planet are applauding America’s re-engagement with the rest of the civilized world. Interestingly, the only nations lamenting Sen. John McCain’s loss were Israel, Georgia and the Philippines.

But Obama’s honeymoon will be brief. He faces the extraordinary challenge of dealing with a nation that has plunged into bankruptcy and exported financial crises around the globe due to a reckless orgy of borrowing and outright criminal fraud on Wall Street.

The new president-elect must also face a daunting number of challenges abroad that will weight heavily on his first term. His rapid appointment of Rep. Rahm Emanuel as his chief of staff sent out tremors of concern, both among thinking Democrats and across the Mideast. Emanuel is a hard-line neocon with strong sympathies for Israel and a reputation for sharp elbows.

Obama’s smashing electoral victory, and the Democrat’s command of both House and Senate, provides Obama with a unique opportunity to resolve some of the nation’s most vexing and persistent foreign policy problems.

The first key step is to demilitarize US foreign policy by stopping the Pentagon and CIA from making policy and return its formulation and conduct to the professionals at the State Department.

RUSSIA. President Dimitri Medvedev lost no time in greeting Obama’s victory with growls of anger over Georgia and Ukraine, and a dramatic announcement Moscow was deploying short-ranged `Iskander’ missiles in its Kaliningrad enclave to counter the Bush administration’s deployment of an anti-missile system in Poland and the Czech Republic.

America’s most important national security challenge is not Osama bin Laden or Iraq, but how to deal with Russia which has thousands of nuclear warheads targeted at the US. President George W. Bush and his mentor Dick Cheney went out of their way to antagonize, provoke, and humiliate Russia with their daft anti-missile plan and their backing of Georgia’s incredibly foolish attack on South Ossetia, a provocation Moscow believed was designed to boost the electoral chances of `I know how to win wars’ John McCain.

Obama should move swiftly to terminate the anti-missile program, only 184 km from Russia’s border, which is supposedly designed against Iranian nuclear-armed missiles which do not even exist. The foolhardy Georgians must be told to settle down and stop provoking Russia before it ignites an East-West clash, or worse. NATO had better think three times before agreeing to go to war for Poti, Georgia; Luhansk, Ukraine; or Riga. Just such reckless and indefensible treaty commitments dragged Britain into two ruinous world wars.

One also hopes Obama might renew President Dwight Eisenhower’s call for international nuclear disarmament. He should move swiftly to end Bush’s daft program of engineering a whole new generation of nuclear weapons.

Ukraine is the next looming crisis, and an explosive one. Washington and Moscow have got to work out an agreement over Ukraine that guarantees its continued independence but avoids it becoming a NATO spear pointed at Russia’s heart.

The US/NATO eastward move to Russia’s borders was a strategic and historic mistake that has provoked anti-western forces in Russia and stoked its traditional xenophobia. The US and its allies should agree to a pullback of NATO forces in exchange for ironclad guarantees from Moscow that the independence of the ex-satellites will be respected.

CHINA – Dealing with China’s emergence as a rival to America will be the second most important US foreign policy issue after keeping normal relations with Russia. The Republican Party idea of setting up China as a potential foe is wrong-headed. Washington must accept a diminution of US influence in eastern Asia in exchange for a peaceful emergence of China as the regional superpower. There are no basic strategic antagonisms between the two nations.

THE `WAR ON TERROR’ - Re-name it `attacks by anti-American groups’ and stop mislabeling it a `war’ to be waged by the ham-handed Pentagon. Every village bombed in Iraq or Afghanistan, every suspect tortured, every assassination from the air adds more recruits to anti-American forces.

While the Bush administration was obsessed by its fruitless hunt for Osama bin Laden, the real threat to US national security was not in the Hindu Kush mountains, but on Wall Street, where the Forty Financial Thieves were creating a worldwide economic meltdown.

IRAQ – Obama should accelerate his pledge to remove US troops – all of them – from Iraq and let the Arab League assume security responsibility for that strife-torn nation. Bush’s attempt to conquer and plunder Iraq’s oil was worthy of Mussolini. Bankrupt Washington can no longer afford a $10 billion monthly occupation of Iraq. Hopefully, Obama will put an end to Bush-Cheney-neocon dreams of an American Mideast Raj.

ISRAEL/PALESTINE - This conflict lies at the heart of much of the anti-Western violence coming from the Muslim world. The men who crashed airliners into New York and Washington on 9/11 made it clear their primary motivation was to revenge the suffering of 5.5 million Palestinians. Obama now has an opportunity to end the Bush-Cheney crusade against the Muslim world and sharply reduce what we call terrorism.

Obama could throw his weight behind Israel’s center and left parties who support a genuine land for peace deal. Such an agreement would go far to ending the Muslim world’s hostility to the US and attacks on the West.

Equally important, the new president could also announce the US will gradually cease supporting dictatorial rulers across the Muslim world – which this writer holds is the primary cause of what we call `terrorism’ – and really begin cultivating democracy in the region.

But Obama has already come under intense pressure from the US Israel lobby, which speaks for Israel’s hard line right wing, and was forced to support its goals at the recent American Israel Public Affairs Committee convention. Israel’s right rejects ceding any land to Palestinians and will only tolerate a Palestinian tribal reservation, or `Bantustan.’

Still, there are tantalizing hints of more openness on Israel’s center and left to a real peace deal. But none will happen without direct US intervention and pressure. On the other hand, the hard-line Likud Party may well win Israel’s next general election.

Continued American support for dictatorships in the Muslim world means it will continue to bedevil US foreign policy and threaten national security.

AFGHANISTAN – Obama has failed to understand the deep tribal and historical complexities of the struggle in Afghanistan. He has vowed to send 15,000 more troops and even attack inside Pakistan. Obama should listen to the Secretary General of NATO and senior officers who say no military solution to the conflict is possible. The way out of the Afghan quagmire is through negotiations that include Taliban and its allies. Ending this unnecessary war is urgent. The longer it continues, the greater the threat that nuclear-armed Pakistan will explode and destabilize the entire region.

President-elect Obama, there is no such thing as a `good war,’ as you termed Afghanistan.

IRAN and NORTH KOREA – Obama’s calls for direct talks with these two problem nations was wise and appropriate. Both are eagerly awaiting a show of respect and moderation from the United States, and assurances it will not attack them. Their limited nuclear ambitions are primarily for self-defense.

EUROPE - All Europe is joyous over Obama’s victory and eagerly expecting improved relations. It is time for Washington to start treating the EU as an equal and seeking its counsel. The US has a lot to learn from the EU, which is far ahead of America in human rights, environmental and consumer protection, transportation, and effective governance.

An Obama administration should be able to improve problematic relations with Latin America and hopefully end the shameful blockade of Cuba. Black Africa is now in America’s camp. India, which is developing ICBM’s and nuclear submarines, will be a future challenge to US world power. But that is down the road.

Many of these hopes for more sensible, mature US foreign policy may turn to ashes as Washington’s mighty special interests begin to squeeze Obama and the Democrats. Do not under-estimate the power of the military-industrial-petroleum complex, big finance, the Israel lobby, big pharma, and the farm lobby, to name a few. President Obama must tackle all these major issues while wrestling with the financial crisis of 08.

The new president, the repository of the hopes of a majority of Americans and people around the globe, must move swiftly and decisively before the weight of politics and powerful interests weighs him down with chains. But not since the ebullient days of new president, John F. Kennedy, has the world’s heart been so open and filled with good feelings for the United States of America.



Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2008




Rampart
Monday, November 10, 2008 4:13 PM
Before Saint Obama can work his magic, he is going to get a holiday of his own. At least a try for it will be made.

This man hasn't done anything yet... what holiday? From southern fried baptists to the Cult of Obama... America has gone loony.
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http://special.cjonline.com/stories/110908/loc_353922770.shtml

Planning under way for Obama holiday
The Capital-Journal
Published Sunday, November 09, 2008

Plans are being made to promote a national holiday for Barack Obama, who will become the nation's 44th president when he takes the oath of office Jan. 20.

"Yes We Can" planning rallies will be at 7 a.m. and 7 p.m. every Tuesday at the downtown McDonald's restaurant, 1100 Kansas Ave., until Jan. 13. The goals are to secure a national holiday in Obama's honor, to organize celebrations around his inauguration and to celebrate the 200th birthday of President Abraham Lincoln, who was born on Feb. 12 1809.

At 7:30 a.m. on Inauguration Day, Obama Cake will be served at the downtown McDonald's, and a celebration is scheduled for 8 p.m. to midnight Jan. 20 at the Ramada Hotel and Convention Center, 420 S.E. 6th.
Rampart
Monday, November 10, 2008 4:14 PM
The longer it continues, the greater the threat that nuclear-armed Pakistan will explode and destabilize the entire region.


Pakistan isn't going to 'explode' in the way some people might wish.

What will happen is all in this story (see link). Saint Empty-Suit can lose the hard-on he has for Afghanistan. It's over.
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=6221453&page=1
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Rampart
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:08 AM
This news is on the front page of Eric's favorite newspaper too in more detail. Today's headline.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/11/11/top1.htm

Militants raid Nato supplies, hijack 13 military trucks

LOL. Americans have maximum two weeks to survive if the supply lines go down. That is two weeks of food. The ammo will go a lot sooner and they will be killed before they starve. Only option would be to leave before that happens.

Just remember to take that pup, 'President' Karsick with you as the planes take off for America. You leave him behind he will be dead in hours. He can get a job babysitting Obama's kids.

Unknown Man
Monday, November 10, 2008 4:19 PM
What exactly are Europeans and other people around the world cheering for? They have nothing to be happy about. At least if you are an American you can be optimistic and hope Obama will do some good for the country and deal with all the domestic issues, but in terms of U.S. foreign policy, as Rayyan (sp?) pointed out, there is nothing to cheer about. Everything will stay the same.
Desoc
Monday, November 10, 2008 5:06 PM
Nothing to cheer about!!!??? Don't you remember what happened in Geogia? NATO was pressured deeply to admit Georgia by the ridiculous Cheney/Bush crowd and look what would have happened. Sure....Europe wants to be dragged in an all-out war against Russia (!!!???) over that idiot Sackashvilli and the moronic imperialistic fantasies of the neo-con morons!

I guess Europe is relieved to have someone at the command who has a functioning brain and shows maturity and wisedom. The Cheney/Bush war mongering brought enough grief to Europe and could easily have brought much more. US foreign policy has been ridiculous and dangerous under Cheney/Bush, and...yes! it's going to change.
LINCOLNSHIRE POACHER
Friday, November 14, 2008 12:45 AM
"functioning brain" you are talking about a Yale and Harvard grad. ahhahah.!
Desoc
Monday, November 10, 2008 5:01 PM
Excellent article. Nobody, but nobody writes about geopolitics from the US point of view like Margolis. Obama should read this article every morning for the first 100 days.

Let's hope that Obama was bluffing and blustering about Afghanistan to get elected. The majority of Americans are solidly against the occupation of Iraq, but believe that the Afghan occupation is "the good war", and that's why, I think, Obama felt he had to pander to that sentiment. Realistically, was there any chance of Obama being elected if he didn't seriously show his teeth and growl somewhere?

He was extremely vulnerable to the accusations of lacking experience and being soft on defence, so he simply couldn't afford to own up to the incredibly obvious reality that the Afghan occupation is for geo-strategic reasons related mostly to energy (pipeline...) and has nothing to do with the so-called 'war on terror'. Americans were with Obama about his opposition to the invasion of Iraq (lately...not in 2003), but if he was against the Afghan occupation as well, Americans would logically figure he was simply anti-war, therefore very soft on defence, and simply unelectable.

I believe his campaign made the decision that since he had honorably and successfully opposed the Iraq war before it started and the majority was now with him on that, he should also be with the majority who believe Afghanistan is the 'good war'. Hence the saber rattling on Afghanistan and Pakistan. But as Mr. Margolis points out, it's wrong and dangerous.

But he's way too intelligent and aware not to know why the neo-cons wanted to occupy that country. And now that he's won the job, let's hope he comes around to toning down the rhetoric and preparing the population for a negotiated withdrawal from Afghanistan.
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It's great and simply accurate that Margolis refers to the 'occupation' of Iraq and Afghanistan instead of using the inaccurate word 'war'. Also, he refers correctly to the so-called 'war on terror' (there's no more war on terror than on drugs, poverty, etc.), and makes it clear that what the neo-cons called terrorism is usually not that. Language matters a lot, and part of the profound deception of the Bush gang has been to impose it's war-mongering language that the hapless corporate media simply repeats like a bunch of sheep.

Americans would be much less gung-ho if everyday they heard references to the fact that their young men and women are 'occupying' 2 countries halfway around the world.
Rampart
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:27 AM

the incredibly obvious reality that the Afghan occupation is for geo-strategic reasons related mostly to energy (pipeline...) and has nothing to do with the so-called 'war on terror'.

And now that Pakistan has done a deal with Iran to get their pipeline, we don't need Afghanistan's pipeline anymore.

Only a fool would be desperate enough to send more troops for a mission that has been blown.

This is one reason I don't understand why people are so full of joy when all they have done is elect another moron.
pedant
Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:15 AM
Indeed "Language matters a lot"
I pick this nit in an otherwise splendid article:
Kaliningrad, which EM calls a Russian "enclave" is properly an EXclave.

Desoc
Friday, November 14, 2008 5:24 AM
Yep. Important to get it right...even details like that. But it is a great article again.
geofromnj
Monday, November 10, 2008 7:25 PM
"One prays America’s long nightmare of foreign aggressions, fear, religious extremism, and flirting with neo-fascism is finally at an end."

These are my sentiments precisely, Eric, and I say this as a conservative who voted twice for Ronald Reagan, twice for George Bush Sr, once for Bob Dole, and only once for Bush Jr.

Following 9/11, the Bush Jr cabal was consumed with wars for oil, wars for Israel, and wars for the sake of wars. It is fitting and proper that the GOP be reduced to insignificance, a collection of southern Whites and northern Jewish Zionists whose hatred of the outside world is virulent, while their knowledge of said world is non existent. Let these few wallow in their idiotic ideology and parochial ignorance while "real" Americans, to use a Palin term, set about restoring the country and preparing for the 21st century.
lord anthony
Monday, November 10, 2008 7:46 PM
The US has a lot to learn from the EU, you say. Very true.
Rumsfeld disparaged Benelux as "chocolate-making countries" because they were among the Europeans who would have nothing to do with his Iraq orgy of Death and Profit (oops, Shock and Awe, sorry Donny).
But at the time I thought it a surprisingly witty put-down from a seemingly no-fun guy who has clearly never enjoyed a blowjob or a bowel-movement in his life.

Does he still have admirers, I wonder.
chatman
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:43 AM
If the second to last statement in your comment is actually true, my sympathy for Donny's humorlessness has measurably increased. :)
Rampart
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:57 AM
You've all been had! LOL

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/11/exclusive-obama-deletes-agenda-from-transition-web/

Agenda disappears from Obama Web site

President-elect Barack Obama over the weekend scrubbed his transition Web site, deleting most of what had been a massive agenda for his first term that appears on his campaign's site.

Gone from Change.gov are the promises on how an Obama administration would handle 25 agenda items — from Iraq and immigration to taxes and urban policy — which the campaign first laid out on the Web site www.BarackObama.com.

As The Washington Times first reported Monday morning, the official agenda on Change.gov has been boiled down to one vague paragraph proclaiming a plan "to revive the economy, to fix our health care, education, and social security systems, to define a clear path to energy independence, to end the war in Iraq responsibly and finish our mission in Afghanistan, and to work with our allies to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, among many other domestic and foreign policy objectives."
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go to link for more
Rampart
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:41 AM
More on the clueless Saint Empty-Suit.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/11/11/top16.htm

Obama’s RSS-link aide criticised

NEW YORK, Nov 10: Three Indian-American organisations have protested the appointment of Sonal Shah in President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team, saying she is a close associate of World Hindu Parishad (VHP), which had “openly supported the persecution of Christian and Muslim minorities in India”.
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RSS... VHP.... Hindutva movement... Tens of thousands killed in Gujarat by these very people! My God!

I think we can stop singing the praises of this fake now. It was getting rather nauseating.

Eric and others here might not like it, but I say this person is going to prove to be America's biggest mistake yet. The American people are incapable of doing anything right anymore.

8 more years of Americans pretending to be Canadians on the internet.... LOL
chatman
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:40 AM
These are peculiar associations in Obama's 'transition team' membership. I am uncertain how the possible (or probable) political sympathies of his transition staff would affect his ultimate leadership decisions might be. Honestly, I think the man is hiring people who are competent, irrespective of more extreme political affiliations which may or may not be relevant to the roles they play in the administration.

Shah's RSS/VHP affiliations are concededly worrisome, The accused apparently denies or repudiates such connections, but they aren't so old as to be irrelevant. Hence, I understand and appreciate the Indian community's demand that Shah clarify their extent and scope. However, her qualifications for her post are pretty compelling. As an advisor to Obama's international development team, Shah's high-level affiliations with Goldman Sachs, and Google's charitable arm, are likely to loom larger in the eyes of her employer than an VHP affiliation. As a coordinator of international outreach to several Indian NGOs, a need to work with Hindutva politicians is likely inevitable, though some accounts describe her involvement as something rising above necessity. Nonetheless, those whackos still figure prominently enough in Indian politics that it would be hard to do business in certain parts of India without kowtowing to their requirements. This is particularly true In Gujarat, whose government teems with creaking Hindu orthodoxy.

The Indo-American groups who (laudably) brought public attention to these alleged connections have asked for clarification, which I am sure is forthcoming. I'm curious to see what emerges...
ys
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:12 PM
"accounts describe her involvement as rising above necessity"

Translation: Shiva-freak

I apologise for the crude reference Chatman, but after the last eight years Allah-freaks, Brothers-&-Sisters freaks and Jesus freaks just...freak us out!

Gwynne Dyer referred to Obama and his need for climbing what is becoming daily a steeper learning curve. He was talking about the latest info on Climate Change and its relation to the Alberta tar sands, but my recommendation to Obama would be to carry around a book with the history of all countries in the world. "World Politics, 1945 - 2000 by Peter Calvocoressi"? The 8th Edition is cheap on amazon.com.

Or he could just as easily become a wiki-freak.

btw Goldman Sachs is in the dump. Or the doghouse.

Thank You Subprime Mortgages.
chatman
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:21 PM
No apology needed. I am a person of Indian origin (though born in the U.S.), a fundamental atheist, and I treat VHP/RSS with the same or worse suspicion I might treat any other strain of violent religious fundamentalism. When I saw that Shah was a key player in VHPA's charitable wing.. well.. it gave me chills to be sure. My wife is of Gujarati origin (also atheist), and we know plenty of people in that community who are "Krishna freaks," if you will.

That said, I don't see that Shah's role in the administration would give her ample opportunity to promote the razing of minority Muslim communities. Her qualifications for particular kinds of work (business networking, economic analysis) are divorced enough from Fundamentalist leanings to roughly ensure that her contributions to the Obama team will likely be of the non-Hindutva variety.

As for Goldman... they may be in the dump, but many of their peer institutions are far worse; at least GS has FDIC coverage, and retains their nice building downtown. (I live in New York City). Certainly, I would've been more impressed if Obama had brought in a lead banker from... say... Wells Fargo or JP Morgan-Chase, but you can't have everything right?

Finally, I agree that Obama should do a lot of reading. As you say though, one of the things that immediately impresses me about Obama is his ability to learn complex fact situations, and to choose advisers based on particular strengths.

I think there's a tendency to pick on a particular advisor's less savory liaisons to the exclusion of the talents they are being hired for. Rahm Emanuel is one example.. many here properly decry his rabid Zionist, but he's not being hired as a Mideast policy analyst. Rather, he's being hired for his ability to knock heads together, and keeping a realistic view of the political big picture.
ys
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:54 PM
removing his agenda from his electronic website - prognosis: ORWELLIAN

But puh-leeaassee.....If this St Obama just sits on his hands for four straight years....he'll be hands down better than Shrubby.

Do you KNOW how much effort would be Needed to be worse than Chimpy???

The thing about B.O is that he has the capacity to learn - something Cheney Co. and LLC didn't have.


btw I knew about Manaf Kalia...I was asking about news that PPP officials are asking for dhanda (extortion money for our English speaking friends) in amounts equivalent to those that MQM people are STILL taking.

And how do you get italics on this new interface?

TC

ys
Rampart
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:06 PM
.I was asking about news that PPP officials are asking for dhanda (extortion money for our English speaking friends)

I haven't heard of anything of the sort yet.

And how do you get italics on this new interface?

Standard HTML commands.
Rampart
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:31 AM
For how to do italics and bold and whatnot, see here:
http://www.ncsu.edu/it/edu/html_trng/basic_commands.html

Happy?
anarchris
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:38 AM
Eric, very helpful article as usual but help me understand how we the uncleansed masses are to believe that Iran's 'limited nuclear ambitions are primarily for self-defense"? self defense against whom and why does it have to be nuclear?
thanks
anarchris
chatman
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:02 AM
That's not a difficult question to answer; the United States (with over 100,000 ground troops in Iraq), and Israel, whose air force presents a credible and unveiled threat to Iranian security. A nuclear umbrella is a general deterrent against any nuclear-capable aggressor, which is why Iran wants it. What would be a better deterrent than that?

Given the bellicose posturing of the aforesaid powers, Iran's nuclear ambitions are eminently reasonable. And before you invoke Ahmadinejad's oft cited holocaust-denying, 'wipe Israel off the map' remarks as examples of Iranian bellicosity, I would direct your attention to demonstrated acts of aggression or planned aggression; the much publicized planning of IDF air-attacks, or the toppling of a sovereign government in the name of "spreading democracy." Such actions speak louder than the words of an electorally accountable, and by all accounts domestically unpopular, Iranian official.
Unknown Man
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:03 PM
What people fail to realize and the zionist-controlled North American media fails to mention is that Iran or Ahmadinejacket never directly threatened Izrail. Saying "Israel should be wiped off the map" is just a statement of an opinion, not a direct threat. It is not the same as saying "WE will wipe Israel off the map". It is however Izrail which has numerous times directly threatened Iran with attacks, even nuclear attacks, if it does not halt its nuclear ambitions; nice hypocrisy coming from a country with an undeclared arsenal of how many nukes...100, 150, 200?

As for Ahmadinejacket: there are only two possibilities. Either the man is extremely dumb, or he is a Mossad agent working for Izrail as some people have suggested. Everything he has said and done since he became president in Iran has directly benefitted Izrail. Coincidence? That man is a gift sent down from heaven to Izrail. Countries like Izrail and the U.S. constantly have to invent dangers and enemies to justify their aggressions.
Nebula
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:14 PM
The Russian response is directly related to the drop in oil prices. Oil is the back bone of Russian economy by droping the oil prices the west is teaching Russia a lesson for invading Georgia. So, what do you expect they will send you roses.
Paul Watson
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:14 PM
Just one problem Eric. An awful lot of vested interests (e.g. Hezbollah) will torpedo Land For Peace. Otherwise, good article.
Desoc
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:25 PM
I wouldn't be so sure. Everybody's blustering opening salvos are obviously as radical and tough as possible. Put some real loot on the table (land in this case) and if it's perceived as a decent offer by the other important actors in the deal, the pressure will be immense on the 'tough guys' to accept...if there's a consensus that it's the best they can realistically hope for.

Those people are not stupid. Israel is not going to get destroyed or shoved into the Mediterranean. I'm betting they will jump on a solid deal if it's ever presented.
David
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:31 PM
Richard Falk is Professor of International Law and Practice at Princeton University. In his column at the Journal Online he says that the controversy of 911 needs to be resolved. At patriotsquestion911.com 150 military and intelligence officers question the official account. Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) and Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Ford and Carter who was a fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions, has a PhD in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Cal Tech, was Head of the Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean at the U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology - a 22-year Air Force career is among them. Lt. Col Robert Bowman says that the official story of 911 is hogwash. Eric is right about just about everything but seems to have blinders on about 911. Obama will have to resolve this issue too.
ThinkinOutLoud
Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:48 PM
I gave up on hope when Obama picked Biden as his running mate. His record of blindly supporting Israel made him the ideal candidate to placate any fears that B. Hussein Obama was soft on Palestine.

Thanks Rampart, italics are cool.
rayyan
Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:19 AM
Don't have high hopes on Obama Mr. Margolis...

Few Points about What I believe Barak "Hussien" Obama WILL do in his foreign
policy vis a vis the following:


1--Russia:Russia is a flimsy and pathetic shadow of the Soviet Union.It is loosing
population(mainly among Christian Orthodox,Slavic Russians) at a rate of 600,000 souls per anum.The number of Muslims(who belong to Turkic non-Russian minorities)will make up 40% of the population by 2050.The sparesly populated Russian Far Eastern huge land mass is being Invaded and settled by the Chinese on a daily basis.After few decades , China will annex large portions of "Mother Russia"..Russia can't use its massive Nuclear arsenal against the US because it will be committing national suicide.MAD(Mutual Assured Destruction) is
still supreme and the American arsenal can inflict much more damage to the Russkies than the Russians to the Yankees.Medvedev and his Boss Putin know that.So Obama will keep pushing the EU and NATO eastwards.Eventaully , Russia will have no choice but to be contained within the European Community.Its status will end up being similar to that of Germany and France -- a medium sized power the chases the phantom of lost prominence.

2--China:The US will preserve its military ties with Japan and the US 7th fleet will continue to be the "Political Stabilizer of the Far East."What the Chinese fear most is a resurgent , nuclear armed , and militrized Japan.They shrink in fear when they contempalte the idea of a burgeoning Japan.The American military presence assures the "Chinks" that the "Japs" will behave rationally.Conversely , It also assures the "Japs" that the US Nuclear "Boomers" will wipe out the "Middle Kingdom" if it attacks the "the Land of the rising Sun"..Business will go on as usual and Joe SixPacs will keep buying Chinese LCD TVs and Japanese Hybrid Cars.China and Japan will Continue buying US T-bonds.


3--Iran:Ali Khaminei , the Supreme Leader of the mainly- Persian , Shiite Iran should kiss the behind and lick the toes of George W. Buch for removing Saddam Hussien , a Sunni Arab , who forced Imam Khomieni during the Iran-Iraq war to taste the "poison of defeat" .He should also thank "Dubya" for bombing the Taliban who scared the hell out of the Persians by lynching their spies and counselors in Mazar-e-Sharif and who used to chop off the fingers of the "Infidel Hazra Shiites"..Obama , on orders from AIPAC and despite all the rhetoric, will open
a strategic dialouge with Iran where the Persian Shiites and Jewish Israelis can divide the predominantly Sunni and Arab Middle East between them ..America will be the main Broker.Persians and Kikes the Junior partners..Forget about Iran Nukes..
Read my words : The Country of Rug Merchants will not be bombed by OBAMA..



4--European Union:Obama will urge the old and feeble Europeans to send more troops and Euros to Afganistan..He will bash and trash them as "weaklings" and "good-for-nothing loosers" if they refrain to do so..After all , the wily Henry Kissinger has dismissed them long before Rumsfeld when he said : "If you want to call Europe , which number do you dial?"..The UK will always be America's Trojan Horse in the EU.


5--Pakistan:Obama will be advised by the likes of Raam Emanuale to "take out the Pakistani, Muslim , Nuclear Arsenal".As long as the Pujabi Sunnis have 50-60 Nuclear Bombs , the Zionist Jews , Shiite-Zoroastrian Persians , and cow worshipping Hindus can't have a good night sleep..I'm really Concerned about PAKISTAN.



6--North Korea:The Chinese will facilitate the "ongoing negotiations" between the US and Kim-Jong il..Eventually , the current leadership will go away and serious unification talks will start with the S. Koreans.A United Korea will ultimately ask the Americans to leave , drift towrads China , and become a Chinese satellite.Meanwhile,Obama will keep sending food to the starving N. Koreans and engaging them in never ending negotiations.

7--The Coming Israeli elections will bring Bibi Netenyahu & the Likud to power..These Radical Zionists will not accept a divided Jeruslam , the right of return for 4-5 million Palestinian refugees , and the freezing of land confascation and settlement buildings in the West Bank.Obama, like other US presidents , will forward meaningless proposals and eventually surrender to the Zionists demands..

8--Iraq:Iraq needs a strong man , like Saddam , to be governed..The Iraqis since the times of Sumer and Akkad were governed and united by tough leaders like Hammurabi , Sargon ,Nabbukaznasser..etc.If the US withdraws , expect a bloody ethnic and Secterian War.Iran might annex southern Iraq.Turkey might do the same to the Kurdish regions..Removing Saddam was the greatest Strategic Blunder the Americans did.They are paying the price now.


If some people are betting their farms on Barak Hussien Obama , I'll not even bet a Pig Shack on him.
Rampart
Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:04 AM

Pujabi Sunnis have 50-60 Nuclear

I wasn't aware that Pujab had nuclear weapons .

Where is Pujab anyway? I can't find it on the map.... must be something wrong with me map...

If you are clumsily trying to say how many nukes Pakistan has... it's rather more than 50-60 nukes, son.

Pakistan's estimated rate of production of fissile material in 2009, will reach enough for 50 nukes a year. The year after that, try 100 a year. At least.

Look up "Khushab 1, 2, 3" for further enlightenment. Satellite pics and all.


I'm really Concerned about PAKISTAN.


Have you been to see your bookie? LOL. Looks like you've put money on your "concern" for Pakistan.

Notice colorful post, btw.
oldfan1
Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:44 PM
Thankyou, Rampart for the colorful reply to rayyan. It sure brought a smile to my face.
cleesburg
Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:58 PM
You could not teach old bigot new realization. You are wrong on East Asia. A normalized Japan is actually a good thing to China. China, a continental-sized country, will lead its ethnic and cultural kins in the Eastern Asian and West Pacific regions.
rayyan
Monday, November 17, 2008 6:53 AM
Before engaing me on the Issues of East Asia , I advise you to read the latest book for 2 of the most brilliant American minds in geo strategy :Brent ScowCroft and Zbig Brezinski..

The books name is

America and the World: Conversations on the Future of American Foreign Policy

Zbig and Brent answer David Ignatius on all matters concerning Foreign Policy..

When you finish doing that, Come and debate me about China and Japan..
Unknown Man
Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:01 PM
Rayyan: WOW. Where did you buy that Crystal Ball you are using to make your predictions? You speak of the future like a true prophet with great conviction. Please do tell: what will next week's lottery numbers be and when will I meet my future wife?
rayyan
Monday, November 17, 2008 7:23 AM
I'm not a Prophet..I read...

When I speak about Russia's demographic problems..its a Fact..check it on Google.

When I speak about Chinese Settlement in the RUSSIA'S Far East , I DEPEND ON WHAT IS WRITTEN IN MEDIA AND HOW CHINESE MERCHANTS SELLING ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT ARE FLOODING (AND SETTELING IN) RUSSIAN VILLAGES AND SPENDING THEIR FREE TIME WITH THE COMPANY OF BEAUTIFUL SLAVIC WOMEN....

When I speak about Europe's aging AND SHRINKING populations , I LOOK AT THE UN Population Estimates for 2025 , 2050 and the US Bureau of Census International Data Base..

When I tackle China and Japan, I read about the Chinese Reactions to the Japanese Commomoration of its lost Soldiers during WWII


oldfan1
Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:37 PM
rayyan, I think you will fit in very well in Obama's transition team.
He's already got the zionist zeolot rahm emanuel and ms. sonal shah representing the Hindutva groups such as (RSS) and (VHP) with their hate spreading idelogies .
Perhaps you could be his "Pujabi" representative helping to advise Obama on how to use sectarian and factional strategies in politics.
transparency
Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:27 PM
THIS REPLY IS FOR THE BLIND AND DEAF Rayyan

I don't usually reply to anyone out there, but i feel that someone must learn to understand the world away from the Evil Wahhabi-Salafi concept.
That same SADdam of Iraq you mention is the same Arab ally of America. And also the pit bull scaring the Arab sheep (dictators) who supported him during the SATANIC aggression against the mighty most powerful nation in the Arab gulf, THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN.
It seems that you have a either a short memory, or you are a typical wahhabi who envies the powerful. Get some Education away from hatred and envy. Mr. Bush did not bomb Iran because he knows there are people waiting for him. Not the people that Claim to be muslims and go kill innocent women and children in the U.S. , Iraq, Afghanistan, and all over.
Life will be a lot better if people like you learn how to love, respect, and communicate.
Deaf and dumb people along with a blind heart is the biggest problem the world is facing.
rayyan
Monday, November 17, 2008 6:47 AM
FYI, Khomeinei was permitted to returned to IRAN from France by Western Powers because these powers feared a leftist takeover of Iran..

--Israel and the US Supported IRAN during the Iran-Iraq war..Iran-Contra affair and the Israeli bombing of the OSIRAK NUCLEAR REACTOR IN 1981..

--KhomeinI started the agression against Iraq by TRYING TO EXPORT HIS REVOLUTION to the Shia.Saddam stood against him..

--Iran is a multi-ethnic entity.Persians make only 45% of the populations.These reside mainly in Central Iran.one third of Iranians are Turks..Not to mention 8-9 million Kurds and millions of Arabs,Balouch,Mazandarani,Lurs..etc...

--Please tell me(I Challenge You) when did the PERSIANS FIGHT THE JEWS??AhmadiNejad says that Israel should be wiped off the map..GUESS WHAT: THE LARGEST JEWISH COMMIUNITY IN THE MIDDLE EAST OUTSIDE HISTORICAL PALESTINE IS IN IRAN..

--The people who are collaborating with the Americans IN Iraq are mainly the Shia..The resistance against Americans is mainly ARAB SUNNI..

--OUT OF 340 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE ARAB WORLD,300 MILLION ARE SUNNI.THESE WILL DOUBLE BY 2050..IRAN'S BIRTHS RATES IS BELOW REPLACEMENT LEVEL..CHECK CIA FACT BOOK 2008...

--John Negroponte used the Central American Counter-Insurgency tactics by employing Shiite death squads against SUNNI CIVILIAN REGIONS..THIS WAS CALLED THE SURGE..THE RESULT WAS ETHNIC CLEANSING OF SUNNIS FROM BAGHDDAD..

--No matter what you say,Saddam,Nasser,Arafat will go down in Arab and Sunni History
books as people who stood against the Imperialist Crusaders powers..Saddam lost his 2 sons,faced death courageously,and stood against

--Demography is on the Side of the Arabs and Muslims..Western and European Countries are shrinking and dying..DEMOGRAPHY IS DESTINY...
Read books like death of the west or the empty cradle and you'll understand.

My friend ,I know what I'm talking about....
Sharjil
Friday, November 14, 2008 12:49 AM
Eric, I usually do not register on political sites to comment on posts, but your analyses compelled me to do so. I am of Pakistani origin, from an area close to the war-zone. I am currently in the US, and knowing how the things are unfolding, can not but appreciate your views on the scenario.
What president Obama fails tro realize, perhaps delibrately so, is that a nuclear holocost which did not come about in the cold war, is very much on the cards. You have emphasized the issue well. Pakistani army, and its intellegence wings, despite everything, owe their alligances to Pakistan, and in an event of fragmentation and Indian intervention, will probably not hesitate in using their nuclear arsenal. Despite having no insider knowldge, I take strong exception to the claim that Pakistan has more than 20 warheads. Those who are making the claims are probably failing to realize the complexity of a nuclear weapon. Pakistan's nuclear program is not entirely home grown as we all know. How can it be? It is not as if uranium is placed in a petri dish and ignited and you can have an A-bomb. Pakistan does not have access to the materials and manufacturing facilities that are needed for production of nuclear weapons. They are dependant on China for reactors, and they can produce enriched uranium by the truckload? There is no expertise in metallurgy, most of the nuclar scientists have left Pakistan, or have switched fields to go to nanotechnology. BUT, even 3 A-bombs can kill millions. Who doesnt know Pakistan has all kinds of missles capable of carrying nuclear war-heads. TAke out Delhi, Amritsar and Bombay and you have a 15 million death toll. Would India not wipe out Karachi Lahore and Islamabad? Yes it would.
Right now Pakistan is in a very bad situation. Fot the person who commented on the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline. This is something where I do have insider information. You may wish to wait and see, but here is the deal. There will be no pipeline. The talks were aborted a year ago. No agreement was reached. Plans were shelved. Pakistan was in talks with Qatar for gas. The Qatris told Pakistanis, "When we started negotiations, my son was born, now he is in university. Go away, you people can't make up your mind'. Sui runs out of natural gas in ~2 years. Its anybody';s guess what will happen then.
As per cutting NATOs supply line, the ISI is treading a very fine line. The area where the trucks were ambushed was well known to be governed by rebels who were pro-government. The hijacking was merely an indicator to NATO, just to show them what evils lurk in those trecherous routes.
For the last 30 years Pakistanis have fed afghans, first as refugees, and for the last 5 years, by the govt and the army smuggling all the wheat and cooking oil to afghanistan so that damned country can be fed. Haven't we sufferred enough to keep them going on? To keep Karzai in power? I myself am a Harvard graduate. I know what it takes to be here and succeed here. Obama must have compassion but right now, I fail to see how he would stop acting more white than whites themselves. I fail to see how Obama will stop the war in Afghanistan. The americans do not seem to understand that the (oddball two party) democracy can not and will not work in Afghanistan. Its not Colorado. The taliban may not be a good idea but that country needs a powerful figure. Right now American control their bases, british control theirs, Karzai controlls Kabul and the rest of the country is divided into a million small parts, each controlled by a warlord. That needs to be corrected, to start with and the US strategy is not working. When has it ever worked really? I do understand what rayyan meant by the punjabis having a-bombs. Make that PAkistanis having a-bombs. Look at Pakistan's history. Pakistan never had the luxury of oil. Iran and Saudia Arabia wield their power SOLELY on the basis of one export, oil. Whatever Pakistanis had was built from our own resources. There is a very likely chance, in my humble opinion, that Pakistan itself, in an all-out war in the Pakistani tribal areas, may prove to be for the US might what Egypt proved to be for Helgu Khan, and more. Obama better refrain from that, fot the sake of the US, and for the sake of over a billion people living in the region.
Rampart
Friday, November 14, 2008 1:19 AM
Fot the person who commented on the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline.

That would be me. Hello.

Try and take my name next time... snooty doesn't work right.


The talks were aborted a year ago. No agreement was reached. Plans were shelved.


Then why are there talks taking place right now? LOL. The News, back page, yesterday. Put some glasses on. Look.

Yes, Iran has some conditions about pricing, but nobody has said the deal is dead.

I thought they taught you how to do proper research in Harvard???


Pakistan's nuclear program is not entirely home grown as we all know.


Whose is? Everybody has stolen or borrowed from everyone else.


Pakistan does not have access to the materials and manufacturing facilities that are needed for production of nuclear weapons.


Read the book "Long road to Chagai". Plus there are like a million sources online. If you would only care to look. But I guess they don't use internet in Harvard??? Nor a library with relevant material???

Pakistan has full access to all the nuke weapons tech you can imagine. Or are you suggesting China is shipping nukes to Pakistan in full violation of international laws? LOL

The whole program of acquiring nuke-tech was known as Project 706. It was a great success, as we all know.


They are dependant on China for reactors, and they can produce enriched uranium by the truckload?


Pakistan's civil power reactors are under safeguards. Their fuel comes from China and then goes back to China.

Pakistan's military program reactors are not safeguarded and we made them ourselves. The fuel is local and the waste is processed into Plutonium.

Do we understand the difference now?


There is no expertise in metallurgy


The whole Uranium enrichment program is based on special steels and as is the bomb itself. The bomb with diffusion lens and boosting. That bomb. LOL

I fail to understand the depth of ignorance you are expressing here.

Pakistan started out with Uranium because you don't need to steal the fuel of a reactor. Now Pakistan is switching over to Plutonium which is more efficient.

One reactor was made for this purpose in Khushab. It was enough for 5 Plutonium bombs a year. Now Pakistan has made two more giant rectors in Khushab. It is estimated each will produce enough Plutonium for 50 nukes a year.

http://www.isis-online.org/images/khushab/reactor.html

http://www.isis-online.org/images/khushab/heavyh2o.html

http://www.isis-online.org/images/khushab/comparison.html

http://www.isis-online.org/publications/southasia/newkhushab.pdf

If I were you, I would ask one of my teachers at Harvard to show me how to use the internet. Look up the P2 (Pakistan-2) centrifuge design. It will answer many of your silly assumptions.

Son... you went way out of your depth when you chose to comment on nukular stuff. You don't even know you don't use a reactor to get enriched Uranium... you use centrifuges. LOL. Reactors are only needed if you use Plutonium.

I hope I have resolved some of the confusion you, perhaps deliberately, tried to create here. God knows, I have dropped enough clues for anyone interested in looking up this topic further.
Rampart
Friday, November 14, 2008 3:07 AM
http://www.isis-online.org/publications/southasia/ThirdKhushabReactor.pdf

Third reactor... a giant one at Khushab.

There was enough stink raised about this by the US here, that I assumed everyone knew? Seesh... what kind of reading do you do? Comic books?

Understand that these reactors are very different than the reactors at Karachi and Chashma.... which are under international safeguards.

Pakistan allows anyone to make a reactor under safeguards. And they bring their own fuel.

Get it? The Pizza Hut "deal" that India has with the US... Pakistan and China already have the basis of that.
Rampart
Friday, November 14, 2008 3:35 AM
And people who are interested can download this as well. LOL

http://www.isis-online.org/publications/southasia/chashma.pdf

New Plutonium separation plant.

I did not have these links. I just Googled right now and found them. And there is a lot more out there.

I am amused... and somewhat disturbed... how disingenuous some people can be, claiming one thing when there is enough photographic evidence out there saying something different. Either they are inherently stupid or they think the rest of us are so stupid we can't use a search engine?

I mentioned a book... "Long Road to Chagai"... I believe it has the only picture of Pakistan's centrifuges operating. The book is well worth having just for those pictures, as they say 'a picture is worth a thousand words'. LOL

Do understand, all of what I linked to or mentioned, is public information. It is not a secret.

Yet, Pakistan has many secrets. The public info is only the teeny-tiny tip of the iceberg (true of any country). Imagine what we are still hiding.
ys
Friday, November 14, 2008 10:14 AM
Look Rampart; Ayaz Amir discussed you in his last four paragraphs!

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=146604

The rest of you; see y'all Monday! Have a good weekend :D
Try not to Blog too much ;-)
Rampart
Friday, November 14, 2008 11:25 AM
Whatever Uncle Ayaz Amir discusses, comes out of a pretty bottle. (don't ask how I know.... I just know)

The most clever people, btw, are taxi drivers and barbers. You get to know things before they happen when you are having a shave and haircut.
Unknown Man
Friday, November 14, 2008 7:09 PM
So which are you, Mr Singh: taxi driver or barber?

And on the topic of nuclear weapons: the U.S. does not need nukes. They have enough rap music and hip-hop culture to wipe out the whole world twice.
Rampart
Friday, November 14, 2008 11:03 PM

So which are you, Mr Singh: taxi driver or barber?

I would love to be a gigolo like our Prime Minister... they have smarts too. But no, I am not that good. Certainly not as good as a barber or taxi driver.


They have enough rap music and hip-hop culture to wipe out the whole world twice.

And now that Obama is here.... To remove bad taste see my favorite Pak-American song.

http://pakistaniat.com/2007/01/07/tee-m-sooji-halwa-aao/
chatman
Friday, November 14, 2008 8:45 PM
Some of the signs that someone is not a Harvard graduate;

They announce on an internet post that they are a Harvard graduate;
They can't write worth a damn;
They do not respond to any requests for citation to authority.


Rampart
Friday, November 14, 2008 11:13 PM
Chatman... this story might interest you.

This is the story of Mr.Czar... Pakistan's gift to USA. Honored by The University of Berkley (yeah, that's right... LOL) and nominated for Nobel prize in economics. Among other things.

http://pakistaniat.com/2006/11/22/shame-czar/

See comments too.
transparency
Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:22 AM
Since when one person can change a whole nation? Every free man on this planet should sympathize as a human being for Obama's Victory. But as for politics, he's just another American president. His chief of staff is an Israeli American. Hello... Does this ring a bell to anyone. There is nothing wrong being an Israeli, but what's wrong is assigning someone who is loyal to two countries. He's got access to a lot... That tells you how the next U.S. policy towards the middle east will be shaped. If America really wants to see change, then they have to do a lot.

Withdraw their occupying army from Iraq. ( U.N. poll says more than 1000.000 KILLED)
Abide to the U.N. laws and resolutions.
Obey the Geneva conventions. ( shame is brought to freedom claimers through Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay... Let's not have a short memory)
Stop violating Pakistani territorial soil.
Put the Israelis on a leash and stop being biased against the Palestinians.
ALLOW FOOD, WATER, MEDICINE, ELECTRICITY..... FOR PALASTINEANS IN GAZA.
Stop your alliances with Arab dictatorships who kill their own people.
Pay attention , even with one eye to the poor hopeless people of Africa.

I can keep writing for days and never finish because America's political history towards the people of the world From Africa to South America is nothing but Oppression.

If Obama achieves 10% only, then he might succeed.But let's not forget that he does not rule America, he only represents Americans. Those who shape America's future, are those who run the economy of America.
America is just a big company that is going towards bankruptcy.
The time is now for a new era without American influence. That means a world with less violence. Read the long list and don't be shy. Panama, Venezuela, Columbia, Haiti, Cuba, Russia, Georgia, Ukraine, Kosovo, Palestine, Lebanon, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Taiwan...... and the list is way longer.
If the new Mr. president-elect assures the free people of the world that America will recognize their countries as sovereign, and independent nations and will not interfere in their own issues, then i can assure you one thing for real. AMERICANS WILL NOT NEED TO STICK CANADIAN FLAGS ON THEIR BAGS AT AIRPORTS.
Let's not judge the letter from the look of the envelope. You must read inside
Hossp
Sunday, November 16, 2008 12:28 AM
Developing nuclear devices may be a technical issue but the decision to go ahead with development or to use that will always remain a political decision. In this regard, Sharij raised some issues that have not been answered. I just don’t see any reason to ridicule someone and still not address the issue raised. What is written in Long road to Chagai is completely irrelevant.

Sharjil has made two points.
1. Pakistani army, and its intelligence wings, despite everything, owe their allegiances to Pakistan, and in an event of fragmentation and Indian intervention, will probably not hesitate in using their nuclear arsenal.
2. For the last 30 years Pakistanis have fed afghans, first as refugees, and for the last 5 years, by the govt and the army smuggling all the wheat and cooking oil to Afghanistan so that damned country can be fed. Haven't we suffered enough to keep them going on?

Imo, the first assertion is just an emotional response. If there is any intervention from India or the US, both countries will take appropriate measures to prevent such response and if they are unable to prevent it, they will not move in to a confrontation mode.
However, in situations like this, internal sabotage is the way to go. The US has enough muscle inside the Pakistan leadership in all branches --Army, ISI, and political-- that it can prevent both the Army and ISI from taking extreme actions. The US concern is not that the current army would use the weapons. The concern really rests on the extremists and Islamic movement inside the army. These are really the proverbial rogue elements and they can call some civilian groups like the Taliban to support them. If Pakistan is place under immense pressure, the country will break apart and at that point no one knows who will end up with nuclear weapons. The US needs to be very careful. Pakistan is not Iran or Afghanistan. You are dealing with country whose geographical borders are porous on all sides, a substantial portion of population dissatisfied with the center, and National interests undefined. This is a politically immature country which, courtesy stupid Indian policies in the area, has reached a nuclear power status.

Hypothetically, If Pakistan, due to external threats or an imminent defeat, reaches a point where it has to use the nuclear devices; the parties taking Pakistan to that situation would be equally responsible for the nuclear holocaust that would follow. There is no country in the world that would be willing to share that burden. The Indians can’t force Pakistan in that situation all by themselves. They will be stopped way before that. The US would not risk it especially when the US has the ability to achieve its goals by working within the system.
I also don’t think that the Pak army and the ISI have the political will to make that decision in any event.

Afghanistan is a tricky issue. Sharjil has rightly pointed out the economic side of this conflict. Afghanistan has nothing, absolutely nothing to survive on. For the last 150 years it has lived on first British charity and then on Pakistan allowing the illegal trade of all kinds including arms and drugs.
Now Opium is the only source of income for that country. You take away opium and there is nothing left for people to survive on. In situations like this, the Taliban would be hard to defeat. The US will have to develop sources of income for that country or commit to provide the economic assistance for an indefinite period of time. Short of miracles, this is the only path to peace in that country. But it is in Pakistan’s interest to shoulder some responsibility to fight with the Taliban as eventually the Taliban pose more dangers for Pakistan than to the US.
Rampart
Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:00 AM
Sharij raised some issues that have not been answered. I just don’t see any reason to ridicule someone and still not address the issue raised.


Since "Sharjil" (can you guess why I am putting this name in quotes?) claimed he was a Harvard graduate, yet could not even do very basic research that took only 5 minutes of my time... One can safely disregard whatever next he might say. We don't have the time or the patience to listen to every Huey, Dewey or Louie, who get their facts wrong and pretend to know what they are talking about. Such folk are known as posers and are kicked out of the more serious forums, some of which I happen to enjoy.

The internet can be a harsh place. As it should be. People here don't spare Eric at times... why should they be nice to some guy called "Sharjil"?

Btw, see this:
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8708251437

One more thing "Sharjil" got wrong. LOL.

If I wanted to read stories, I wouldn't come here, now would I?


What is written in Long road to Chagai is completely irrelevant.

Say that when you are able to write a book of your own on the same subject. Until then, it is very much relevant.


If Pakistan is place under immense pressure, the country will break apart

Yes, "Hossp", we know you buy your milk at the same supermarket "Rayyan" and "Sharjil" and "Transparency" buy theirs. That damn milk makes one have same style statistics and sentence structure. LOL

Around 1.6 syllables per word and 14 words per sentence. LOL. I gotta have some of that milk too.
Unknown Man
Monday, November 17, 2008 1:19 AM
As usual every discussion on the Margolis site, whether originally about ice cream, Chilean farmers or financial affairs, turns into a discussion of Pakistan and nuclear weapons.

Thanks Mr. Singh and all the other Paks. I thought this was about Obama.

*YAWN*

I am off to another forum.
Rampart
Monday, November 17, 2008 3:49 AM
turns into a discussion of Pakistan and nuclear weapons.

Tell that to Joe Biden. He started it!

Thanks Mr. Singh and all the other Paks. I thought this was about Obama.

And so it is. Obama has 'the region' on his mind 24-7. So should you.

If you want anything nice about Obama out of me, well... I think the man is rubbish. I have already pointed out from the start of the thread how he is already going in the wrong direction with Indian and Israeli hardliners in his team.
Hossp
Monday, November 17, 2008 1:41 AM
I did not know that kids also hang out here.

Anyway, I have some Google skills too and here is what I found on the IPI deal.

IPI project: Iran backs out of gas deal.

“Pakistan wants that any revision proposed by Iran should also be considered on a trilateral basis, unless and until Iran confirms its readiness to proceed bilaterally with Pakistan. The Pakistani side is also of the view that the Principle of “S” curve should be preferably retained. However, considering the current crude oil prices, the existing pricing band of $30 to $70 per barrel, could be suitably adjusted to reflect the current crude oil prices. This concession to Iran would only be considered if Iran proceeded with the project bilaterally.”


But this place has more info on IPI deal.

Unknown Man
Monday, November 17, 2008 2:07 AM
And what does this have to do with Obama or Obama's future presidency?

Go to another forum if all you want to do is spam this comments section with posts about Pakstan, nukes and gas deals.
Rampart
Monday, November 17, 2008 4:19 AM
gas deals

The Iranian gas deal is of importance because if it goes through, then the Afghan gas deal... the reason the Americans are in Afghanistan with their oil company employee, Karzai.... will not be needed.

The whole reason for America in Afghanistan falls apart. It would have all been for nothing.

That simple. Really.

Now you understand, it has everything to do with Obama?
Rampart
Monday, November 17, 2008 3:41 AM
I did not know that kids also hang out here.

Very smart kids, according to Ayaz Amir. LOL

and here is what I found on the IPI deal.

Well done. You finally found the story printed in The News, back page. The one I mentioned. LOL

And Your links don't lead to anything. Please fix them. Use your Google Skillz.

The point is, the talks are still going on. Whether they lead to success or not, remains to be seen. But to say, "talks were finished and project abandoned a year ago" is nonsense.
Rampart
Monday, November 17, 2008 8:51 AM
www.shrunklink.com/bhdj

If you want a job in an Obama administration, be prepared to disclose every blog post or comment you've ever written.

A nine-page questionnaire requires applicants to list -- and if possible, provide copies of -- all "posts or comments on blogs or other Web sites" they have ever made. Also required are "aliases" or nicknames used on those sites.

Translated into English, this means that President-elect Obama wants to know far more about you than his predecessors did. That requirement would force applicants to disclose information about Facebook and MySpace pages, profiles posted on dating Web sites, and even what was posted on Web sites like CNET and YouTube that allow readers to append comments.

Note that question doesn't only ask for potentially embarrassing or incendiary posts. It wants a list of "each" one.

This guy.... I don't know what else to expect out of a Mac user.

No chance of job for me with this guy at least.
Paul Watson
Saturday, November 29, 2008 2:00 PM
Peace in Israel with Palestine? Surely you jest, Eric. Not in my lifetime (although I would have said that of a black president too).
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