PIRATES OF SOMALIA
November 24, 2008
`Pirates of the Caribbean’ and cute little Johnny Depp they are not. Somalia’s pirates tote AK-47’s and RPG rockets, chew the narcotic shrub qat, use satellite cell phones for their negotiations, and are just about the only people in strife-ravaged Somalia these days who have a regular job.

The Strait of Malacca between Singapore and Indonesia used to be the world’s leading haunt of pirates, the 20th Century’s version of the fabled Spanish Main. No more. Now it’s the waters off the Horn of Africa and the southern end of the Arabian Peninsula.

This year alone, brazen Somali pirates have attacked 95 vessels.
The corsairs still hold 16 ships and up to 300 sailors. Among them, a Ukrainian freighter loaded with T-72 tanks whose ultimate destination remains a mystery, and now a Saudi supertanker laden with 2 million barrels of oil valued at US $110 million. The pirates demand $25 million ransom for the vessel and Filipino crew.

Somalia’s pirates have shown an amazing ability to board underway vessels in the dark, which is like trying to climb a wet, oily six story building moving at 25 km per hour with ropes and ladders. The poorly paid, mainly Asian crews of the attacked vessels quickly surrender.

Western powers have increased naval patrols off the Horn of Africa. Russia is also sending warships to the region. The US is sending more warships. Not since the two Barbary Wars of 1801-1805, and 1815, in which the fledgling US Navy and Marine Corps covered themselves with glory fighting North African pirate states, has America been so involved in counter-piracy action.

The current piracy epidemic underlines the urgent need to bring stability to war-torn Somalia, where millions face famine and epidemics. Somalia has been in anarchy since 1991 when its former dictator, Gen. Siad Barre, was overthrown. Since then, the nation has splintered into semi-independent regions fought over by warring clans, sub clans and militias.

In 2006, a stable, popular government was finally established in southern Somalia, a moderate Islamist movement known as the Islamic Courts Union. It was quickly marked for death by the Islamophobic Bush administration which claimed, quite falsely, that the Courts Union was in league with al-Qaida.

Under cover of the Christmas holiday in December, 2006, the US and its regional ally Ethiopia invaded Somalia and overthrew its government. A new puppet government, supported by Ethiopian troops, claimed to run the country. National resistance against the US-Ethiopian invasion began immediately and continues to this day. Meanwhile, millions of Somalis were left to starve.

According to the UN, disease and famine in Somalia are now worse than in Darfur. Yet the world has turned its back on suffering Somalia. Unlike Darfur, which became a `cause célèbre’ for America’s Christian far right, no one cares about Somalia – or at least no one did until Somalia pirates began preying on international commerce.

One of the more interesting aspects of the Somalia pirate drama involves India. In a dramatic move, an Indian frigate, INS `Tabar,’ stole the limelight by sinking a Somali pirate mother ship off the coast of Oman. `Tabar’ had previously driven off other Somali buccaneers.

I first saw `Tabar,’ a Soviet/Russian Krivak-III missile frigate, under construction at St. Petersberg’s Baltisiskya Zavod yards. This beautiful, elegant warship carries the new Russian/Indian `BrahMos,’ the world’s deadliest supersonic anti-ship missile, and the Israeli `Barak’ missile system. `BrahMos’ was designed to sink aircraft carriers. The only navy that operates carriers in the Indian Ocean besides India is the United States.

`Tabar’ was on station in the Gulf of Aden escorting Indian merchantmen and ships of other nations. Her presence is the latest sign of India’s growing maritime power, a subject about which I have been writing for two decades. India is now making her maritime strength felt right to the mouth of the Red Sea, in the oil exporting Gulf, along Africa’s east coast, and all the way south to Fiji and Australian waters. In the event of war with Pakistan, India’s navy could blockade its coast and cut off all imports of oil, quickly bringing Pakistan to its knees.

Many Indian strategists regard the vast Indian Ocean as their nation’s `mare nostrum,’ or exclusive sphere of influence. India’s steady naval expansion is designed to protect its commerce and long coasts, and exert Delhi’s growing influence around the oil-rich Gulf and South Asia. India’s navy is also keeping a weather eye on the evolution of China’s fleet from a coastal defense force into a true blue water navy. Just last week, a senior Chinese official caused a stir in Washington by hinting his nation was planning to build its first aircraft carrier ( the US has eleven).

India’s fleet includes an aircraft carrier; a refitting ex-Soviet carrier on order, the `Admiral Gorshakov;’ at least 16 modern submarines, plus a series of nuclear-powered ones being built; 48 surface warships; a powerful naval air arm, and advanced reconnaissance satellites. The `Akula attack sub in which a score of Russian sailors and technicians recently died after fire-extinguishing Freon gas was accidentally released, is believed to be destined for the Indian Navy.

India’s growing naval might will soon challenge the Indian Ocean’s premier naval power, the United States, which regards the Gulf oil routes and Arabian Sea as its own pond. India’s acquisition of Russian `Akula’ class nuclear-powered subs that do 40 knots submerged; the deadly BrahMos missiles; and the Russian heavy, TU-160 long-ranged bomber have the US Navy warily watching.

In another important event barely noticed in the West, on 14 November, an Indian space probe hit the moon. If India can deliver a probe to the moon, the same launchers and guidance systems can deliver nuclear warheads to North America, Europe or Australia. India is testing a new 5,500 km medium ranged ballistic missile, `Surya,’ which is expected to be upgraded into a true inter-continental ballistic missile (ICBM) carrying nuclear warheads with double the range. India is also deploying a submarine-launched, nuclear armed ballistic missile.

India’s rapid development of strategic weapons systems and nuclear warheads has been greatly accelerated and aided by the new US-Indian nuclear accords, US high speed computer technology, and nuclear weapons technology from Israel, India’s second largest arms supplier.

India is also emplacing new Agni-II intermediate missiles along the tense Tibet border, in response, says, Delhi to more than 100 Chinese nuclear-armed missiles on the Tibetan plateau targeted at India

The lesson to be drawn from all this is that India must be a force to be reckoned with in the Indian Ocean and Gulf as it advances its own oil, trade and political interests which may one day come to compete with those of the other two regional superpowers, the United States and China.


Copyright Eric S. Margolis 2008





Rampart
Monday, November 24, 2008 2:36 PM
Started with cute and cuddly pirates, got distracted in the middle, and ended up writing an article on India....

What's up dude? Not enough material to write a full article on the pirates? LOL
Unknown Man
Monday, November 24, 2008 6:10 PM
As usual Mr. Singh is quick to comment on the only part of the article that interests him: the parts that relate to his beloved Pakstan. The previous article about WW2 was not much of interest to you, eh? And what about the Somali pirates, got something to say about them...hmm? Or too busy being offended and hurt by Margolis's comments on Paki weakness?

You should just write an official letter of complaint to Eric. "LOL" - indeed.

I can just picture how this comments section will be heavily dominated by Mr. Singh's talks of Paki nukes.

*YAWN*






Rampart
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:07 AM
As usual Mr. Singh is quick to comment on the only part of the article that interests him: the parts that relate to his beloved Pakstan.


Huh? Are you nuts....?


You should just write an official letter of complaint to Eric.

No... you post here and make your views known. That is EXACTLY what the comments section is for, genius.

I still don't see what brought on this reaction of yours....


And what about the Somali pirates, got something to say about them


I said I thought they were cute and cuddly didn't I?

Margolis doesn't have enough material to write a full article on them evil-doing pirates... what do you expect ME to write?

Btw, are you the guy I made that bet with? I can't recall his name...

Now how about some comments of your own on Eric's article....hmmm? How about giving your views on the pirates, eh?

Or do we... yet again... have to see you reduced to complaining how you don't like other posters here?

*YAWN*
JT
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:31 PM
I haven’t checked this site for a year or so and am really surprised and disappointed to see that this insecure little Pakistani is still polluting Eric’s website with his all-consuming and utterly transparent obsession with India. Any chance of you getting a proper message board where you can put the trolls on “Ignore” Eric?

Rampart writes like Pakistan is a real country as opposed to a failed state whose main exports are terrorists, cab drivers and phony refugee claimants. India definitely has its problems, but India is moving inexorably forward while Pakistan hurtles backward. In a way, your jealousy, frustration and anger are quite understandable. Same reason the ISI sets off bombs in Indian markets, schools and embassies.

But by all means Rampart, please keep lashing out in desperation as you swirl around the toilet bowl that is Pakistan. Keep telling yourself that you and your craphole of a country actually matter.
Rampart
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 11:39 PM
I believe my post was a comment on what Margolis had written.

See, the difference?

I post about the article.

You guys only post about me. LOL.... talk about obsession.... SHEESH!!! What a bunch of losers....

And what is this about Pakistan? Did I mention Pakistan? Why are you mentioning Pakistan? Does Pakistan keep you awake at nights? LOL.

Nutter.

Go easy on the coffee.. or drugs... or whatever... that you are overdosing on. I love being written about but it ain't fair to Eric.
Idiolect
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:39 AM
http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 2/hi/south_ asia/7749245. stm

A gift for Mr Margolis and all the rest of you...
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:08 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7749245.stm

I would be more blunt than that.... makes Margolis look kind of silly, not waiting for the whole story to come out and not digging enough. Sloppy, sloppy sloppy, this week....

The owner of a Thai fishing trawler has said the Indian navy sank it off Somalia's coast last week after wrongly assuming it was a pirate "mother ship".

Wicharn Sirichaiekawat said the Indian frigate had attacked the Ekawat Nava 5 while it was being hijacked by pirates.

Mr Wicharn told reporters in Bangkok that the Ekawat Nava 5 had been headed from Oman to Yemen last Tuesday to deliver fishing equipment when it was approached by Somali pirates in two speed boats in the Gulf of Aden.

The pirates were in the process of boarding the vessel and seizing control when the Indian navy frigate, the INS Tabar, sailed into view and demanded it stop for investigation, he added.

"The sunken ship which the Indian navy claimed was a 'mother ship' of pirates was not the 'mother ship' at all," he said.

"The pirates wanted to take our ship to Somalia."

Mr Wicharn said he had learnt the fate of his trawler from a Cambodian crew member who had survived the INS Tabar's bombardment and had been rescued by a passing ship after six days adrift in the Indian Ocean.

The sailor was now recovering in a hospital in Yemen, he said.

chatman
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:39 AM
The Somalis, as far as I know, don't fly the skull on crossbones as identification. That can make it quite difficult to distinguish between the vessels seizing and the vessels being seized.

In defense of Indian Naval involvement, the story appears to make clear that the vessel sunk by the INS Tabar was in the process of being boarded and seized by pirates. Under those circumstances, it seems a somewhat reasonable error given 'fog of war' type conditions that may have existed.

That said, I think it unconscionably negligent of the ship's crew to not inspect the wreckage for survivors. Further, I think it was improper for the Indian government to report the sinking of the vessel as a triumph over some "mothership," as if the vessel destroyed was like some master hive from which all pirate activity originated. A more humble accounting might've saved the Indians some embarrassment.

your confidence in Pakistan's blue-water prowess, referenced against this incident, is unsurprising. I think it interesting how jingoist both Indians and Pakistanis get when it comes to comparing their respective nations' military strengths. I've found it best to let them argue themselves to exhaustion trumpeting their biases. It's a strategy not dissimilar to the one suggested by Eric last week to former Allied powers; let your adversaries spend each other out, and enjoy the spoils (or the entertainments, in the case of furious Indo-Pak debates).
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:59 AM
your confidence in Pakistan's blue-water prowess, referenced against this incident, is unsurprising. I think it interesting how jingoist both Indians and Pakistanis get when it comes to comparing their respective nations' military strengths.


Err... who exactly is comparing Pakistan vs. India???

Not me.

There is no need to compare Pakistan's military abilities with buffoons who shoot up fishing trawlers and then claim "MOTHERSHIP! MOTHERSHIP!" while leaving the victims floating in the ocean.

God forbid, I ever compare my navy to theirs. LOL
chatman
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:27 AM
That's glib, but you know who you are. By stating that no comparison is required or possible, you impliedly make a comparison.

Better militaries have made dumber mistakes than the INS Tabar, but I won't jump down this rabbit hole. Goodness knows our own military is guilty of a some far deadlier zingers than the INS Tabar scandal.

Though your unquestioning confidence in the professionalism of your own forces is, again, unsurprising, I'm sure you don't have the entire outtakes reel of the Pakistan Defense Forces at your disposal... If you did might be surprised (and amused) by some of the things you'd likely find. 600,000 guys can do some pretty dumb things when the cameras aren't looking.

In the case of the Indians, they were stupid enough to publicize their mistake, alleging to have destroyed something that probably doesn't even exist without verifying. A simple inspection of the wreckage would likely have exposed the error. It looks like lazy adherence to bad protocol; if there was ever an Indian national affliction, that would be it.
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:00 AM
if there was ever an Indian national affliction, that would be it.


Leaving people behind in the water... is that also an Indian national affliction?

It wouldn't have killed them to search the waters and pick up survivors, even if they turned out to be pirates.
Muckdisturber
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:04 AM
Does Pakistan even HAVE a Navy....? LOL LOL
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:29 AM
Eric's article is about India and it's magnificent mother-ship destroying navy.

What has any of this got to do with Pakistan or it's navy, I ask again?

Goodness me.... you folk are really obsessed or something. LOL. What did Pakistan do? Piss in your cornflakes?

Except Chatman (and of course, Idiolect and Cleesburg) none of you losers has made any comment about Eric's article or the ones posted later. That's because many who post here are just street rabble... mere hecklers, nothing more. They don't have the intellect for proper discourse. Now everyone can see who is what. So sad.

Try and show Margolis some appreciation and give him some positive input this week... he isn't getting any from me. LOL
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:31 AM
Since Chatman asked...

If the UN is interested, Pakistan is available to do the job right.. not blow up people who we are supposed to help. LOL

However, being civilized people, we would seek a UN mandate first before going about blowing up mother-ships.

Pakistan offers UN help to combat high sea piracy

UNITED NATIONS, Nov 25: Pakistan on Monday offered to help the international community combat the menace of piracy off the coast of Somalia and the Red sea.

The offer to supplement United Nations’ efforts to combat piracy was made at a meeting between Pakistan’s Ambassador to the UN Adbullah Hussain Haroon and Belgian Minister of Defence Pieter De Crem and heads of UN peace-keeping operations.

They were discussing issues relating to the peacekeeping troops presently being deployed by the United Nations world over under the UN Security Council mandate.

Mr Haroon offered the help of Pakistan Navy to quell piracy provided a clear mandate was given by the UN Security Council, according to a press statement issued by the Pakistan mission.

He, however, made it clear that without UN-permitted involvement of the Pakistan Air Force to fly air support missions in the region from bases in the Arabian peninsula as well as financial arrangements, provision of technology, weaponry to its troops, who would serve under their own Senior Naval Commanders, Pakistan would not consider taking a lead role in the Somalian expedition.
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:43 AM
To help out Eric further with his homework... here is a more complete article about the Somali Pirates.

See the part in red. I didn't know that... and neither did Eric.

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/mahir/mahir.htm

Somalia operates on auto-pirate
By Mahir Ali

IN a world where, in the eyes of many, making money suffices as a raison d’etre, it is quite conceivable that, in different circumstances, the sort of activities in the Gulf of Aden that have lately aroused international angst would have been viewed as perfectly commendable.

The modus operandi of the Somalis behind their country’s only growth industry is fairly simple: they patrol the waters in so-called mother ships, pick a target, despatch speedboats to capture it, then negotiate a ransom with the hijacked vessel’s owners. Once the money is received — they prefer cash, often delivered by airdrop — they allow the vessel to resume its journey. Violence is threatened in the event of non-compliance, but there have thus far been no cases of physical harm to crews. A proportion of the loot goes to the sponsor of the mission, while the rest is divided up among those who participated in the venture.

Rather enterprising, one would have thought. And reasonably civilised: the pirates are not cut-throat, they’re businessmen. Of course, their aversion to bloodshed may well be based chiefly on practical considerations, given that the impetus for military action against them would increase sharply in the event of crew members coming to any harm. In the past week or so, the pirates may also have realised that it’s safer, from their own point of view, to not get too ambitious.

The hijacking earlier this month of the Sirius Star, a Saudi-owned tanker carrying crude oil worth $100m — roughly a quarter of the kingdom’s daily output — inevitably attracted a great deal more attention than the capture of smaller vessels, and persuaded some shipping lines to suspend operations along this particular route. It also stirred the Islamist militia Shabaab, whose control over the country has been growing in inverse proportion to the diminishing presence of the federal transitional government in Mogadishu.

It is perfectly possible that Shabaab’s concern over the Sirius Star is prompted by connections with Saudi Arabia, although it has also been suggested that the militia’s primary motivation is to obtain a slice of the profits. The captors are reported to have demanded by the end of this month a ransom of $25m, a figure that exceeds by several multiples the amount of cash they normally seek.

One reason why they have frequently been getting away with this kind of extortion is because the cost of mounting rescue operations would be much higher; what’s more, the military option would risk lives, and its international legality would be dubious. So far, only France has tried, with some success, to use force in hostage situations, while an Indian naval vessel last week sank what was purportedly a Somali pirate mother ship.

The Sirius Star affair sparked serious concern partly because the tanker was accosted not in the usual danger zone, but 450 nautical miles off the coast of Kenya, in the Indian Ocean, signifying that the pirates’ area of operations had expanded considerably. Inevitably, some of their income is poured into improved vessels and armaments.

Until a decade or so ago, piracy was generally considered a threat mainly in Southeast Asia’s Malacca Straits. The menace in that part of the world has sharply been reduced as the result of coordinated operations by Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. Were Somalia to contemplate a comparable effort, it could probably count on the assistance of neighbours such as Kenya. But in the given circumstances, the question of such an effort barely arises. The nation has had no coherent government since 1991, and it is a wonder it is still intact, albeit barely.

Shabaab is an offshoot of the Union of Islamic Courts that briefly brought a semblance of stability to Mogadishu two years ago. It was by no means an ideal solution to the anarchy that preceded it, but the Islamists who wielded power were not completely off the wall. They did not, however, have a clear idea of what to do with that power. The United States, meanwhile, was wary of Al Qaeda connections, and supported an invasion by Ethiopia to overthrow the Islamic Courts and establish a puppet regime. The latter’s head, President Abdullahi Yusuf, has lately exhibited few qualms about admitting that his government’s jurisdiction is rapidly decreasing.

The chief beneficiary is Shabaab, which unfortunately appears to epitomise the worst aspects of Islamist zeal. There have, for instance, not only been death threats against human rights activists — ordering them to desist from their activities — but it appears some have actually been carried out. Inarguably the most repugnant outrage thus far has been the death by stoning of a 13-year-old rape victim. Who can say whether it is an aberration or an awful sign of what lies ahead for an exceptionally ill-starred nation?

A limited number of Ethiopian and African Union troops is all that stands between Shabaab and the centre of power. There are also rival Islamist groups contending for control of Somalia. Ultimately, there is precious little that Ethiopia can do about it. The international community, for what it’s worth, is neither inclined to intervene nor capable of guaranteeing a more salutary outcome. According to one Nairobi-based diplomat, western governments have tended to view Somalia as “too difficult to solve and not important enough to matter”. His solution? “We need to accept a few years of harsh Islamic rule and work with authority that way.”

That may indeed be preferable to ham-fisted intervention. It’s worth remembering, though, that the Islamist forces, too, are riven by bitter rivalries, and Shabaab’s ascendancy, were it to be established, wouldn’t go unchallenged. Besides, it’s unlikely whether regime change in Mogadishu would go a long way towards curbing piracy in the Gulf of Aden.

One of the reasons behind the trend was the tendency of foreign fishing vessels, operating in Somali waters with or without official permission, to treat local fishermen as competitors who must be chased away. This obviously did not go down well with coastal residents, who, with plenty of justification, considered it their birthright to exploit coastal waters. They started hijacking foreign fishing boats, and simply went on to bigger things.

This is the sort of entrepreneurial zeal that, if properly harnessed, could potentially go a long way towards ending the dysfunction that distinguishes Somalia from its neighbours. The greater likelihood, sadly, is that self-funded pirates will continue to harass traffic that flows through the Suez Canal, while Mogadishu will continue to bear witness to ruptures and eruptions. The worst of all possible worlds, in other words, at least for the time being.

The writer is a journalist based in Sydney.

mahir.worldview@gmail.com
Muckdisturber
Friday, November 28, 2008 10:12 AM
The Bombay Attacks:- Whoever the real perpetrators or their backers really are,(CIA/Mossad?) it looks as if Ramparts beloved Pakistan is being set up to take the blame. Quite what Pakistan would have to gain, (Motive) from supporting such a murderous attack will not be discussed in the corporate media which as we speak is swinging into overdrive telling of ISI involvement and Al-Quaida linked militants being harbored, this all fits in very nicely with Obamas recent comments on the need to do something about Pakistan. The NWO agenda continues.
cleesburg
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:05 PM
Several Thai airport rioters just went to India initiating an attack at Bombay, just to revenge the Indian navy mistake to sink a Thai fishing trawler off the Somalian coast!
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:50 PM
And they still haven't been able to control it.

As we speak, DAWN TV (watch live streaming feed from www.dawn.com left margin) is showing live footage of magnificent Indian commando's hiding behind cars and crawling into Bombay's famous potholes, not firing a single bullet in response.

Let us see how the great Indian army/navy/airforce handles this without killing all the victims as well. LOL. It is... as Chatman siad... an Indian national affliction.
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:51 PM
And they still haven't been able to control it.

As we speak, DAWN TV (watch live streaming feed from www.dawn.com left margin) is showing live footage of magnificent Indian commando's hiding behind cars and crawling into Bombay's famous potholes, not firing a single bullet in response.

Let us see how the great Indian army/navy/airforce handles this without killing all the victims as well. LOL. It is... as Chatman siad... an Indian national affliction.
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:51 PM
And they still haven't been able to control it.

As we speak, DAWN TV (watch live streaming feed from www.dawn.com left margin) is showing live footage of magnificent Indian commando's hiding behind cars and crawling into Bombay's famous potholes, not firing a single bullet in response.

Let us see how the great Indian army/navy/airforce handles this without killing all the victims as well. LOL. It is... as Chatman siad... an Indian national affliction.
Rampart
Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:52 PM
And they still haven't been able to control it.

As we speak, DAWN TV (watch live streaming feed from www.dawn.com left margin) is showing live footage of magnificent Indian commando's hiding behind cars and crawling into Bombay's famous potholes, not firing a single bullet in response.

Let us see how the great Indian army/navy/airforce handles this without killing all the victims as well. LOL. It is... as Chatman siad... an Indian national affliction.
chatman
Friday, November 28, 2008 7:25 PM
A true embarrassment. What is amazing to me is India's assertion that this is something it never expected. That is a truly shocking statement coming from a government long accustomed to domestic terrorism. I can see how one might not expect planes to be flown into skyscrapers.... that's novel. Plane hijackers would presumably derive greater benefit from holding hostages rather than sacrificing them. But 20 guys wandering through you city shooting holes into people and rounding up hostages? That's hardly novel. One would expect that the law enforcement infrastructure in a city as important as Mumbai would be prepared for this kind of craziness; that they profess their utter unreadiness and total surprise at the brazen-ness of these militants is truly scary. Has no one in India ever seen the movie "Heat" by Michael Mann?

My condolences to all who have lost friends or family in the ensuing brutality.
Rampart
Thursday, November 27, 2008 4:00 PM
"It says 20 to 25 gunmen are believed to have arrived in Mumbai in three inflatable boats, launched from a larger vessel." ... sez some Indian buffoon.

Mother-Ship!!!

India should declare war on Mother-Ships.

Mother-Ships are clearly out to get India.
Captain Louis Renaul
Friday, November 28, 2008 9:43 AM
British-born Pakistanis among arrested militants arrested in India.
Muckdisturber
Friday, November 28, 2008 9:49 AM
The Bombay Attacks:- Whoever the real perpetrators or their backers really are,(CIA/Mossad?) it looks as if Ramparts beloved Pakistan is being set up to take the blame. Quite what Pakistan would have to gain, (Motive) from supporting such a murderous attack will not be discussed in the corporate media which as we speak is swinging into overdrive telling of ISI involvement and Al-Quaida linked militants being harbored, this all fits in very nicely with Obamas recent comments on the need to do something about Pakistan. The NWO agenda continues.
Muckdisturber
Friday, November 28, 2008 9:50 AM
The Bombay Attacks:- Whoever the real perpetrators or their backers really are,(CIA/Mossad?) it looks as if Ramparts beloved Pakistan is being set up to take the blame. Quite what Pakistan would have to gain, (Motive) from supporting such a murderous attack will not be discussed in the corporate media which as we speak is swinging into overdrive telling of ISI involvement and Al-Quaida linked militants being harbored, this all fits in very nicely with Obamas recent comments on the need to do something about Pakistan. The NWO agenda continues.
Muckdisturber
Friday, November 28, 2008 9:53 AM
The Bombay Attacks:- Whoever the real perpetrators or their backers really are,(Indian Intelligence,CIA/Mossad?) it looks as if Ramparts beloved Pakistan is being set up to take the blame. Quite what Pakistan would have to gain, (Motive??) from supporting such a murderous attack will not be discussed in the corporate media which as we speak is swinging into overdrive telling of ISI involvement and Al-Quaida linked militants being harbored, this all fits in very nicely with Obamas recent comments on the need to do something about Pakistan. The NWO agenda continues.
chatman
Friday, November 28, 2008 7:29 PM
You know, I don't doubt that Advani or BJP may have been involved in the orchestration of this mess, but isn't it a bit cynical to conclude that internal or western powers are the default culprits here? There are enough radical groups with in India, Islamist or otherwise, who might be interested in pursuing this sort of action, esp. considering that New Delhi has no shortage of enemies.
Muckdisturber
Friday, November 28, 2008 9:54 AM
The Bombay Attacks:- Whoever the real perpetrators or their backers really are,(CIA/Mossad?) it looks as if Ramparts beloved Pakistan is being set up to take the blame. Quite what Pakistan would have to gain, (Motive) from supporting such a murderous attack will not be discussed in the corporate media which as we speak is swinging into overdrive telling of ISI involvement and Al-Quaida linked militants being harbored, this all fits in very nicely with Obamas recent comments on the need to do something about Pakistan. The NWO agenda continues.
Muckdisturber
Friday, November 28, 2008 10:11 AM
The Bombay Attacks:- Whoever the real perpetrators or their backers really are,(CIA/Mossad?) it looks as if Ramparts beloved Pakistan is being set up to take the blame. Quite what Pakistan would have to gain, (Motive?) from supporting such a murderous attack will not be discussed in the corporate media which as we speak is swinging into overdrive telling of ISI involvement and Al-Quaida linked militants being harbored, this all fits in very nicely with Obamas recent comments on the need to do something about Pakistan. The NWO agenda continues.
Hard Left Turn
Friday, November 28, 2008 2:13 PM
Hello Eric,

Excellent, stimulating piece, as always.

The comments, which I've been following, critically, for some time, are starting to look suspiciously like Mr. Margolis theme here.

The bloggers are hijacking the Comments section.

Hundreds of minutes............thousands of words, all with little or no positive effect on the root problems illustrated by Mr. Margolis. Why don't most of You take some time off beating on Rampart, and disregard His ramblings ?

We need solutions. Most of You, that take the time to read EM's work, then pontificate about peripheral details. The gist of this piece indicates that Somalian pirates are a symptom. The disease is clearly evident. The West will never be able to negotiate a lasting Peace with Pakistan, nor count on real support from the region, as long as India is armed by the West.

The solution ? Why don't one of You deep thinking bloggers offer one up, rather than hurl insults at each other.

My solution ? Have the U.N. monitor and then police all of the major Arms sales, and have the U.S., China and Russia enter into a bilateral agreement outlawing the sale of certain grades of weapons. Make the developing nations quit spending on guns, while their populations starve.

A solid solution ? Probably not. But, certainly better than any of You have proposed recently.

We need answers, not more questions. If one of You can get a positive thread going, with an action plan supported by the other Bloggers on this site, You might collectively achieve something.

I doubt this will happen. You will probably just revert back to showing how smart You are, while wasting time and valuable spectrum.

Prove Me Wrong.

HLT
chatman
Friday, November 28, 2008 7:19 PM
Really? Have the U.N, monitor all this? Have the U.N. police weapons sales? With what police force? With what political legitimacy? On whose consensus?

Whatever solutions are developed for reducing the flow of weapons to developing nations must keep in mind a very simple fact; the Chinese, Russians, and American arms manufacturers profit from arms sales. Private industry in the U.S. gets cash for their guns, though the cash itself is generally borrowed from IMF or other organizations; hence, while these governments don't really have any money, they are effectively able to convert their debt into weapons, keep the arms suppliers flush with capital while the public entities supplying the IMF issue bad debt after bad debt to nations who have no interest or ability to repay.

Of course, if you start running credit checks against the Congos and Malawis of the world, the outcry on the left would be pretty harsh.... neo-imperialism, starvation of the already impoverished, etc. etc. Just the same, I think this is where the real changes need to start. If development money is going to nations with a history of misallocating resources, there needs to be greater oversight over capital disbursements and loan approvals. Asking the U.N. to police global arms shipments is a categorically absurd goal for an organization who can't even afford to dust the benches at its voluminous general assembly hall. (I know... I visited quite recently).

Despite the novelty of the U.N.'s 'neutral soldiers' concept, hard policing and law enforcement have never been the U.N's strong suits. U.N, peacekeepers charged with securing war zones have proved notoriously ineffective, largely because of confused mandates and poor equipment. You expect the U.N. to comprehensively police global shipping? Such ex post policing is enormously expensive. Better to put the 'enforcement' within the banks that dispense the capital, rather controlling transit of weaponry purchased with such capital.

And stop posting repeat postings!
Desoc
Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:50 PM
"The bloggers are hijacking the Comments section." !!!!?????

Who should use the comments section...? Members of the Security Council? The Society of Former Noble Literature Prize Winners??

I don't think you quite understand how this works. The comments section is really the 21st century version of the loudmouth on the bus.

You don't really expect that the bleating that goes on a site like this possibly contains the kernel (or the details) of a solution to some real problem!?????

Please.

If you have the illusion that what you write is capable of affecting the outcome of real issues, you might want to try to get a better bully pulpit than this.

The potential of a blog like this is strictly to blow off steam.
Rampart
Friday, November 28, 2008 11:55 PM
I apologize for the repeat comments.

Something went wrong with the website and posts were not going through, though it seems they were not totally dead.
Rampart
Friday, November 28, 2008 11:55 PM
I apologize for the repeat comments.

Something went wrong with the website and posts were not going through, though it seems they were not totally dead.
Captain Louis Renaul
Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:52 AM
I'm shocked - SHOCKED - to learn that some here would immediately asume this was a CIA/Mossad plot. Shocked!
ys
Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:40 PM
Whats Happening in Karachi?

And don't end your comment with "We'll get it under control LOL".

25 dead, 100 injured, this is the real sh*t that matters.

We know the things in mumbai are being presented by the media as the apocalypse on wheels, but the generl public doesn't buy it. Gwynne Dyer as such said the right thing.

But ethnic riots in Karachi, thats another thing.

What is the real reason. I wouldn't ask you if I was on the gorund there myself, but I am going to look for some real views. And considering that you live near/around North Karachi, I think you can give an honest assesment.

So I repeat, Whats up with KHI doc?
ys
Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:54 PM
Wait, I may have answered my own question:

The immediate trigger for the mayhem seems to have been a protest staged at Banaras Chowk following a traffic accident involving a mini-van.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=149926

The new death toll is 31 killed, 110 injured.

I realise this may look more uninteresting to many of you than the Mumbai drama. Let me explain why this is more significant.
Terror attacks are more media events than real political actions. They are undertaken by militants, as opposed to ordinary people. Riots on the other hand involve ordinary people as both victims and attackers. Due to their de-centralised nature they change the very fabric of the society they take place in. The Mumbai trauma is a localised event. A riot is a decentralised all pervasive political attack. And it leaves more scars, sociologically, economically and politically than a terror attack.

As Gwynne Dyer has said in the article he wrote "(terror) event(s) will be forgotten within a year by everyone who was not actually there—as it should be."

Riots however do persist beyond time.
Rampart
Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:46 PM
You can get more detail on Karachi metblogs.

http://karachi.metblogs.com/

It is just a land-grab attempt.
ys
Monday, December 01, 2008 12:06 AM
Metblog is run by retards. Never trusted it.

I do know it started with a traffic incident near Banaras chowk.

Whats the ethnicity of the land mafia?

So who is trying to steal whose land ?
Rampart
Monday, December 01, 2008 12:26 AM
Metblog is run by retards. Never trusted it.

Don't be stupid.
ys
Monday, December 01, 2008 12:29 AM
Sorry, but I could always find info in Karachi when I was there, without turning to a website.

Seriously, who's stealing whose land, and which group/party is the land mafia with?
Rampart
Monday, December 01, 2008 1:26 AM
MQM vs. the Pathans.

It has been going on since the 80s. Read Karachi Metblogs. They explain in detail.
ys
Monday, December 01, 2008 3:05 AM
Very lol.

So who wants to steal stole whose land?

Is it the Fata refugees? or Do they want to clear off the Fata refugees with bulldozers?
ys
Monday, December 01, 2008 1:30 AM
Yes Rampart, I grew up in Karachi during the 90's and had nooooooo idea the MQM and the Pathans had a phadda going...sheesh... :P
Rampart
Monday, December 01, 2008 1:54 AM
It's an on-off lukewarm affair.

Flares up now and then like a case of herpes.
ys
Monday, December 01, 2008 3:04 AM
Very lol.

So who wants to steal stole whose land?

Is it the Fata refugees? or Do they want to clear off the Fata refugees with bulldozers?
ys
Monday, December 01, 2008 3:05 AM
Very lol.

So who wants to steal stole whose land?

Is it the Fata refugees? or Do they want to clear off the Fata refugees with bulldozers?
Rampart
Monday, December 01, 2008 4:29 AM
Fata refugees? In Karachi?

Are you sure you are from Pakistan? Sometimes I am not so sure.

http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/11/30/sitting-on-a-ticking-time-bomb/

Why couldn't you just read this instead of asking me???
ys
Monday, December 01, 2008 3:40 PM
"Fata refugees? In Karachi?"

And sometimes I'm not so sure you know as much as you say you do. :D

Refugees fleeing violence from the "North" have settled along the marble cutting district on Manghopir Road.

And its not just that I know about it; the Herald covered it:

http://www.dawn.com/herald/sep08.htm

"The Long Shadow of the North"

Fine I read it, and since I haven't seen this P.O.S in a long time I looked through it; my previous opinion on its retardedness quotient was raised threefold:

http://karachi.metblogs.com/2008/11/30/at-schools/

Sheesh...these ppl need to get a life. Or some sense.
Rampart
Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:48 PM
Dear admin.

Your website is behaving in a horrid manner and is probably in a process of meltdown.

Please do something.
Rampart
Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:49 PM
Wait... I think I have figured out part of the problem...

Yes, that's it. Thank you. Disregard earlier post.

And Margolis, you have disabled all HTML tags. I hope it is a temporary fix on your part and you bring back the bold and the italics tags at least. I know you can bring those two back leaving out all the color stuff and whatnot. Your software allows you to select.

Answering posts in text only is soooo old school.

If you think that what happened to your website happened because I aggressively used HTML tags... that can't happen.

Which means you switched them off because you don't like any color in your life.

We are all getting old.
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