THE SICK MAN OF NORTH AMERICA
Toronto October 20, 2008
An empire built on debt, is an empire built on sand.
The US government now owes a staggering $10 trillion.  American consumers owe $14 trillion.  Welcome to the United States of debt.  Twenty-four trillion dollars is a gargantuan sum, even for the mighty US economy.  It is now clear that America’s once lauded `prosperity’ was built on runaway debt rather than productivity or innovation. 

At the end of the 19th-century, the dying, debt-ridden Ottoman Empire became known as `the sick man of Europe.’ Under the Bush administration, the United States has become the sick man of North America.     
 
Like the British Empire after 1945, the United States has gone   bankrupt  thanks to a national orgy of borrowing, the replacement of manufacturing by financial manipulation, two ruinous foreign wars, and a government whose stunning incompetence and ignorance was exceeded only by its reckless imperial arrogance.
 
The financial panic that has gripped the globe,  and the ignominious collapse of once mighty Wall Street, proved the American colossus had feet of clay. Washington’s furious printing of untold billions of new dollars to prop up its sinking economy, finance this year’s staggering $1 trillion deficit, and pay gargantuan foreign debts looks very likely in the long term to unleash a storm of dangerous inflation that will infect the world’s financial system.  
 
Short-term the current financial crisis will have a deflationary effect, but in years to come the full effects of devalued US currency must bring serious inflation.
 
Recall the great economist John Maynard Keynes warned that the quickest way to destroy a nation was by wrecking its currency through inflation.   
 
The world balance of power is already shifting.  For example, Pakistan’s new president, Asif Zardari, just went cap in hand to China, seeking $4-6 billion in emergency loans.  Pakistan is on the verge of bankruptcy and may shortly default on its debt, risking social chaos.
 
But Pakistan’s patron, the United States, which has been paying that nation’s politicians and army  $1.2 billion per annum to support the occupation of Afghanistan, has no cash to spare for Pakistan. So Pakistan is turning to China, which has $19 trillion in foreign exchange reserves – the world’s largest.  Beijing cautiously responded it would help old ally Islamabad `within our capabilities.’ 
 
The US-led occupation of Afghanistan is likely to be adversely affected by Washington’s new pauper status just at a time when the war is going very badly for the American-led occupation.  
 
Bankrupt people, companies, and nations have to sell assets to meet their debt obligations.  China and Japan alone hold over $1.5 trillion of US government securities in the form of US Treasury notes and bonds (which are really IOU’s). 
 
Nervous Chinese and Japanese central bankers now want real assets rather than more paper.  So there is talk of America’s Asian creditors demanding their IOU’s be converted into shares in US corporations and property. 
 
Sovereign wealth funds from the Arab oil states and Singapore may soon demand chunks of premier US corporations and property. This is ironical, given all the previous hue and cry in the US about `Arabs’ having too much influence due to oil sales.
 
In the 19th century, European imperial powers used to force loans on China, Egypt, the Gulf, Iran,  and Latin America.  When the locals could not pay off these debts, parts of their territory were  seized.  Russia was forced to sell Alaska to the US for next to nothing when it could not repay its debts.
 
China’s coast was carved up by the British, French, Germans, Russians, Americans and Japanese.  These imperial foreclosures created  the trading `concessions’ of Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tsingtao, Tianjin, and Port Arthur.
 
Now, it’s payback time for China.  How ironic that the Chinese Communists have ended up with a so-far sound financial system while the Wall Street bandit capitalists have gone bust and are groveling for foreign loans. 
 
To help pay its monster debts, I suggest Washington consider selling Louisiana back to France.  Canada, whose banking system remains solid, ought to pick up Florida for a song.  Switzerland would do well to spend some if its gold and buy Vermont and New Hampshire.
 
Mexico will want to buy Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.  Russia, of course, will buy back Alaska and Washington State. China will purchase  California. San Francisco will become `New Shanghai’ and Los Angeles, `New Beijing.’   
 
Japan will buy up Oregon, Montana, and Hawaii. Holland will repossess New York State, and Germany will buy Pennsylvania and Minnesota.      
 
Just kidding, of course, but this joshing shows how bad things have become for poor old Uncle Sam.
 
Pakistan’s move into China’s financial embrace is a harbinger of things to come.  Unless the US quickly repairs its economy, its world power could slip away as quickly as postwar Britain’s, leaving China, Japan, Russia, the EU, the Arab oil states,  and India as the world’s new superpowers.  
 
This may not be so awful.  All power, as Briton’s Lord Acton famously said, corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely. As the world’s sole super-power, the US under the Bush administration became totally corrupted by imperial hubris, financial fraud, lust for resources, and greed.    
 
A world with more balanced, diffused power may be preferable.  But such profound historical change is always dangerous and unpredictable.  Right now, China looks like top dog. Mao must be smiling.
 
Who would have ever imagined the `godless Red Chinese hordes’ would end up propping up America’s sleazy economy?   
 
 
 
 
 
 
Market Socialist
Monday, October 20, 2008 4:02 PM
Excellent Article:

If you tally up the Federal, State, local and unfunded mandates debt, the sum comes to a staggering 53 Trillion US dollars.

How ironic that the Communist Chinese have become better Capitalists than the “Free Market” Reganites. I guess trickle down economics will be relegated to the same book shelf as the “Communist Manifesto” or “101 ways to get a Sub-Prime Mortgage”.
Fahd
Monday, October 20, 2008 7:05 PM
too bad china didn't give pakistan a dime
cleesburg
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:03 PM
Fahd, that's not true. China helps Pakistan via signing 12 agreements! That's worth a lot. Directly giving out cash is usually not the typical Chinese way to help friends. China is very consistant in treating Pakistan as a ally, unlike the Uncle Sam.
Rampart
Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:21 AM

Chinese bankers coming to assess Pak cash needs

www.shrunklink.com/bdqh

"Pakistan should not worry, China values its commitments and will honour the promise it has made.”

Happy now?
Salam
Monday, October 20, 2008 9:37 PM
Hi, I loved the analogy here. I think there is one rational reason why ‎the global economic system ‎is in shock after the collapse of the so ‎called capitalist United States ‎which in my view is based on a ‎superiority complex characterized by ‎the theory that a super power ‎can reign over the world because it ‎can and will do so until it faces a ‎pit hole and falls down like ‎many empires in the past. Today, Mr. W G. ‎Bush thinks his problem is a ‎world problem, because living in a ‎global economy means every ‎nation's economic wealth is ‎predetermined by an international ‎monetary system which happens ‎to be controlled by the USA.‎ And why is that the case?‎

We live in a global system that can not sustain its Status Qua ‎‎because people like George W Bush and his associates have ‎‎managed to corrupt the essence of the United States prosperous ‎‎democracy. All I am saying is this: Let it be a lesson for every ‎Americanized Leader ‎who is salivating to become the next super ‎power contestant to think and think again.‎

Thank you Mr. Margolis for sharing your thoughts. ‎
Based on the article, Canada is safe for now and I ‎am glad that is the ‎case. Corruption has the same effect as war ‎mongering leaders who ‎think with their prickly might rather than ‎their minds. Let us hope ‎the new President of the United States is ‎humble enough to think ‎about the well being of his people first, ‎rather than his personal ‎glory. A prudent leader will never dive head ‎first in a quick sand of ‎mud and soot as the Bush Government did.‎
There is a popular saying in Arabic that says and I am paraphrasing: ‎‎‎"If you dig a hole for some one, you end up falling in it." A metaphor ‎‎for the arrogance of a Man's whose legacy is a daunting dooms day.‎
I wonder why the Americans did not use cash money instead of credit, ‎‎uh? ‎
ingozi
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:57 AM
Excellent article. However, even if the countries that hold the chips want to cash them in, what on earth would be solved? The economics would not be changed in any way but superficially. The Western world is service oriented. We care less about the farmer than we do about fast food employee. What everyone keeps talking about is an economic problem, the best advice one hears are ways to get by with buying less. That consumer traits just won't go away. Sure there is an economic problem on the surface, but the real problem lies beneath. People are blinded by a lifestyle that could be likened to an addiction.

The bail out will do nothing but prolong the inevitable. A collapse of the world bank. There is no nation that will benefit. There are only 2 possibilities, for nothing as we know it will remain for very much longer. These are quite simply, war and/or a move to a large (or worse, one) world government.

The blame for all that is happening lies within each and every person. There are no countries at this moment where peace and economic stability exist. Every person who, regardless of excuse has pulled out a credit card to shop at their local giant retail store or supermarket because it's cheaper to do so has knowingly taken part in building this palace of cards. Look at the countries that have been "Americanized". If you doubt, how many McDonald's are located in your country?

The time is on it's way when we must atone, and if you think it's bad now, just wait. No empire has ever collapsed peacefully. When people have nothing left to eat and nothing left to lose, what is the primal instinct that takes over?

If you think I somehow sound paranoid or otherwise foolish; I've seen this coming for years - have you?
hoTmaLe
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:11 AM
Democracy to which we think a solution of mankind is just an illusion. There can be no freedom or democracy where mass media and education are tightly controlled.
This is rather Plutocracy which handicapped Judiciary so they plutocrats may get a carte blanche to make rules under the guise of bureaucracy/democracy.
Plutocracy is dominant over democracy and its responsible for current financial crisis in order to consolidate their power on cabalistic currencies
Shazam
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:59 PM
True, hoTmaLe, as far as it goes. The US is in fact NOT a democracy as you state, and it is a Plutocracy but with a twist. It is truly a Corporatocracy, where votes are sold to the highest bidder (so principles fall by the wayside). The average American has no voice, and so doesn't bother to vote or even get informed (were he or she to have enough time from the hunt of the next buck to do so). With this model, the public interest is subverted in favor of special interests that include both domestic corporations and foreign states whose very capable lobbists redirect the power of the US to their own selfish ends.
Shazam
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:58 PM
Eric has identified the most dangerous part of the response to the financial collapse. Inflation. Hang on to your hats because we will soon be in for a wild ride. Anyone have suggestions for a hedge for a North American wage earner? Aside, that is, from going back to the land and living in a commune that uses a barter economy?
Jonathan
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:18 PM
One question:
What happens next?

Consider...it seems like the Fed and the rest of the US state are lowering interest rates and passing stimulus bills in Congress to delay the full impact of the financial crisis on the rest of the economy, especially the housing situation. Of course, they cannot do this for long without, as Mr. Margolis points out, creating massive inflationary pressure and decline in the US dollar's value in international exchange (especially as some major energy producers are asking their customers not to pay in US dollars anymore).

Would the US leadership willingly inflate the country to oblivion? Maybe not. Remember that the massive US military budget (and subsidies for civilian business) are effectively paid for by borrowing from foreigners. They refuse to tax the rich to pay for their spending. So the US leadership will need to persuade foreigners to keep buying US-dollar denominated assets instead. They would not possibly sell off major portions of high-tech industries because so much is dual-use. So that means US T-bills have to be made more attractive. And how else can that be done except through major increases in interest rates?

Yes, that would deepen the coming depression, but rulers more often than not choose to impose sacrifices on their people for the sake of protecting their own power.

The US government and its business allies would weather this crisis, but be left with a country with a much harsher divide between rich and poor than even that which exists today, with all of the accompanying social turmoil. Maybe that is part of the reason why a brigade of veteran US troops from Iraq has been re-assigned to "counter-terrorism" in the continental United States?

Any thoughts?
transparency
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:52 PM
Excellent explanation from an excellent thinker.
From my ideological perspective, the American dream is over and it is time to wake up.
The oppressed people of the world must prepare and be ready for a new world without American influence.
What was expected from nation like America driven by a man like bush.
911, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon... Did Americans ask one day why does their money has to go to Israel and other dictatorships in the MidleEast ? Do they know why they are in Iraq orAfghanistan?
The biggest enemy of America is ...America

It is time for the U.S. to drink from the same glass that it made every human being drink eveyday.
Steven
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:22 PM
Eric,

Can a nation with universal suffrage even long be an empire? The US only abolished the poll tax, literacy tests, and other (more odious) limitations on the "right to vote" in the 60s, when it already was the superpower?

Did Britain not see its Empire run into more and more problems as it expanded the franchise?

This is, of course, not to say that not being an "empire" may not be good.
Desoc
Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:20 PM
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wide awake
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:16 AM
Excellent article, not to mention bleak yet humourous. Just wondering how America will sustain its mighty military industrial complex without a reliable cashflow. When you think about the astronomical amount of money that goes into defense contactors, new naval vessels, and of course those ongoing foreign wars one wonders how this can remain sustainable for years to come. Let's face it, when you spend almost as much money as the rest of the world combined (minus the actual wars themselves) on defense it will become a strategic diaster when this house of cards finally topples over. And we all know that US would rather scrap ships that they call obsolete(even though they are still superior to other nations navies) than sell them off and reclaim some of the costs. If President Eisenhower were alive today and saw this mess i'm sure all he'd have to say is "I told you so".
ThinkinOutLoud
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:44 PM
Harper's predicted this catastrophe about a year ago, and of course, no one paid attention. A little tidbit from that article was that, in 1850, someone figured out that if you had one penny when Jesus was born and got a compound rate of 6% or so, by 1850 you would have a ball of gold 300 times the size of the Earth. So obviously, an interest-based economy is at once two extremes: fantastic long term returns, and utterly unsustainable in the long term. So? People cannot keep paying interest for 1850 years, can they? What happens when they get tired of paying? You can take their stuff, if your sherrif's gun is big enough, or the people will storm the castle, destroy the paperwork and hang the king, and then start all over.
My advice? Jesus kicked the money lenders out of the temple on a wise principle: do not oppress your fellow man. What is a 105% mortgage over 35 years but a form of unnecessary enslavement - "Keep paying or I will take all your stuff!" Have you heard about the house cleaners in California? When people can no longer keep up their payments, they lose their house, and are so disorganized they leave all their stuff behind because they can't afford to rent a truck or a place to store their stuff. So, companies come in and clean out the houses alnd throw their nearly new flatscreen TVs, furniture and appliances in the dump. This could mostly be avoided if junior learned to live with his parents or a roommate until he saved up a down payment, and continued his spendthrift ways.
Don't get me started on credit cards: roughly $78 billion a year in interest collected in the US. I will not start.
On question, though. Today the Canadian dollar is down about 20% in 30 days, because, as the newspaper said, "of the strength of the US dollar." Huh? Can anyone explain this in non-economist terms?
Thanks.
Desoc
Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:23 PM
Excellent, simply excellent. Thank you for that.

I would just add that I think capitalism is unavoidable...but should be deeply, strictly controlled by...the majority. Democracy. GB Shaw said that all professions are conspiracies against the working class (or words to that effect). It's not that difficult to make sense of how to handle money, on a societal basis. Letting the money lenders make the rules is just as ludicrous as it sounds.

I don't think it's realistic that we can live without credit. But...it's not realistic either--because we therefore have to get 'credit' from the rich (the money hoarders, and therefore, lenders)--to let the lenders make the rules.

We (everybody else) should make the rules. Obviously. If they make the rules, they maximize their profit and game the system. The current debacle is one of the results.
rayyan
Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:10 AM
Why the US can afford such colossal debt--

Few points that Mr. Eric keeps ignoring:


1-- Saudi Arabia , the GCC , S. Korea , Taiwan , Japan are DEFACTO American military
bases and protectorates.The US protects S.Korea , Japan ,and Taiwan from N Korea and
China.It protects Saudi A. and the GCC countries from Iran.These countries are coerced
into buying US T-Bonds and investing their excess dollars in the US.
They are paying the "protection fee".


2--When Nixon abandoned the gold standard during the Vietnam War , he made sure that
the Saudis will take US Dollars for their oil ,hence the term "petrodollar" was born..Central
Banks all over the world ,as a result , keep Dollars in their foreign reserve accounts.A lot
of these petrodollars are recycled into the American economy..

3--The Chinese economy is 4.5 times smaller than the US economy.Per Capita Income in
China is $2600 ; in the US its $45000..800 million Chinese farmers in rural areas didn't
benefit from the Chinese Economic boom and are still very poor..China is not Beijing and
Shanghai..It is 800,000 villages in rural China.

4--The US Military is so superior that it is unlikely for any real competetor to appear
in the coming decades and dislodge the Americans from their current Super power position.
The US has more nuclear warheads in its Strategic active stockpile
than all the countries of the world Combined..The US commands the only "deep blue" Navy which patrols the oceans of the world.The USAF is the only Airforce that has introduced the 5th generation Stealthy Aircaft to its squadrons (F-35 and F-22,).Pentagon spending compromises half of the world defense spending.


5--Russia is loosing population because of high death rates and low birth rates
mainly among ethnic Russian..In 2050, the Russian Federation's population
will decrease from 143 million to 109 million..So count the Russians out..Some estimates
predict that the number of Muslims in Russia(mostly ethnic minorities) might compromise
40% of the population by mid Centuary..(Currently 15%)..

6--Europe is aging and shrinking demographically and being flooded by Muslim Immigrants..(France alone has 7 million)..If Turkey is addmitted to theEU,you can say goodbye to Austaria and Germany which will be engulfed by millions of muslim Turkish(and Kurdish) workers..

7--What can really destroy America's Economy is that the major oil exporting countries refuse to take US dollars for their oil.Most Countries will dump their dollars and , as a result , a wave
of unprecedented inflation and high interst rates will follow..The US makes sure that such a thing will NEVER happen.

So,don't be that gloomy...American power is still supreme..

America is blackmailing its "debt holders" , through coercion ,intimidation and covert
threats , to keep on financing its deficits..

I think what will eventaually finish the American experience is the demographic
transformation caused by the uncontrolled immigration of millions of Mexicans
who will ,along with other Hispanics,make 25% of the population by 2050.

These Mexicans still remember that Texas , Nevada ,California ,New Mexico ,Arizona were
annexed by the "Gringos" from Mexico in the 19th Centuary...Once they establish a critical demographic CRITICAL mass in these border states ,then a lot of demands will start appearing..

THIS IS THE REAL THREAT..

Desoc
Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:47 PM
Very good points...in a sense. But...consider this. Nukes are off the table. Period. Yeah, yeah, we all know about Iran, North Korea, etc. Still, nukes are off the table. Nobody can challenge the US in terms of nukes, or conventional military power, for that matter. Challenge them, and the planet goes DOWN. It could happen, but likely won't.

So, with nukes off the table, everything else is up for grabs, and the US loses out everywhere. The rest of the world produces more, better, etc. Economically, the US is going to keep sliding further and further down...unavoidable.

That the Pentagone outspends the rest of the world is a liability! Don't you get it!???

Of course, no country can challenge the US straight-up to a military fight. And no one will. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan. The US with its incredibly superior fire power won those 'wars' in a few weeks...no problem. But let them try to OCCUPY for their $$$ advantage, as they're obviously trying...! Bound to fail. Insurgents will ALWAYS find the Achille's heel of a powerful occupying army...Duh...supply lines...among other weaknesses. Just like they 'attritioned' the US out of Vietnam, the Soviets out of Afghanistan, etc., etc., insurgents will get the US out of Afghanistan and Iraq (one way or another).

It perfectly proves that the last thing you need to do is beat an imperial power like the US up front. Let them 'win' their 'wars' but make them lose the OCCUPATIONS that they simply cannot win. They bankrupt their population with military might that in the end proves useless.
rayyan
Friday, October 24, 2008 5:44 AM
Nukes of the table...Noooooooo

Read the "The Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations " wich permits the use of mini-nukes on adversaries..TheVariable Yield B-61 bomb was designed for this purpose..

China has between 15-20 DF-5A single warhead,liquid fueled ICBMs(takes 2 hous to prepare them for launch)..In Comparison a full load of Trident II Submarine is 24 Solid Fueled,MIRVed, Trident D-5 SLBMs capable of carrying 144 warheads..These missiles could be launched within few minuets and could reach thier targets thousands of miles away in 20-30 minuets with a CEP(circle of probable error) of 90-120 m..So a decapitation strike which could take out all of China's ICBMs is possible..Btw,the US has 14 Trident Submarines...Half of the US Strategic arsenal is abroad subs..So it is more survivable...

Only Russia,currently, can startegically threaten the Continental US with its Topols and SS-18s missiles...

The US startegy to decraese the number of its (and of Russia's startegic) warheads coupled with the US planned Anti Ballistic Missile System aims at degrading Russia's Nuclear derterant..If the ABM works, then the US will be in a position to hunt and shoot down fewer Russian warheads(which Russia agreed to posses in the arms limitations treaties because it can't finance and modernize a large arsenal)..For this reason,Putin is furious of the US plans to construct radar and anti-missile missile bases in the Czeck Republic and Poland.

The Ultimate Aim of the US is as Rumsfeld coined it

"FULL SPECTRUM DOMINANCE"..
cleesburg
Friday, October 24, 2008 10:43 AM
I can only say that your knowledge of the Chinese Nuclear Strike Force is not updated.
moleculo
Friday, October 24, 2008 3:26 PM

OBL ( or Osama's Ghost) is delighted.

Their strategy was aimed at causing this 'mother of all predicaments' and it worked.
rayyan
Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:57 AM
OK..Can You please tell me on what ICBMs types does CHINA depend?

The only deployed MISSILES ARE THE ANTIQUATED DF-5s..

I'm still waiting to see the first OPERATIONAL solid fueled ,mobile, MIRVed DF-31...

I'm also still waiting to see the first OPERATIONAL AND SUCESSFUL LAUNCH OF THE 1ST Chinese SLBM..The Russians,who are way more advanced, are having still problems with their new BULAVA SLBM..

The Chinese Jumped up and down because they sent the first man to outerspace..

They are planning a Lunar landing by 2020..

The US has been there and done that in the late 1960's and early 1970's..This is HOW Large the technological gap is..
cleesburg
Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:25 PM
rayyan, you are totally correct. Chinese are stupid and they can never catch up to Russians and Americans. China is doomed. As a matter of fact, now it is the perfect time for the US to initiate a war on China to demand China to hand over their foreign dollar reserve for free, just like the signing of a host of unequal Treaties from 1840-1949. After all, that was not long time ago. After that, good Chinese are dead Chinese! After eliminating the hated and not-worthy Chinese race, the world will live in paradise forever!
Desoc
Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:03 PM
Either you have a terrible sense of humour and you're making a very bad joke, or...you really need professional help.
Rampart
Sunday, October 26, 2008 3:37 AM
what ICBMs types does CHINA...


You should be asking "what IOUs does China hold..."

They own you, bubba. They don't need no ICBMs. lol

rayyan
Monday, October 27, 2008 7:03 AM
FYI, 20% of Chinese Exports go to the US..
the other 20% go to the EU..
So the Chinese have a stake in buying US debts..

The Chinese Economy depends on Exports plus a lot of Western Companies have invested huge sums in the form of FDI (Fireign direct Investments) in China..

You forget one thing: per Capita Income in China is $2,600 Their GDP is around 3.5 Trillion.
Per Capita Income in the US is $45000; US GDP is 13.5 Trillion..

Let the Chinese deal with the poverty in rural areas first..The dicrepency of incomes between south eastern provinces and the interior is so graet that social unrest might result because of it
I still remember in the 1980's when some Americans Predicted that the Japenses Economy will overtake the US Economy..This didn't happen..

It is true that China owns a lot of the US debt , but so what?

The US Controls directly through its miitary bases most of the world oil which China can't do without..Plus the US is way more powerful militarly and can always use India, Japan, and Taiwan to blackmail the Chinese..

China will be Regional power not a Global one..You should look at a the geopolitical realties that the Chinese have to face..To their east ,they have Japan(If Japan is permitted to go nuclear)then the Chinese will be very very afraid.

to the South West,they have another emerging giant:India..

To their north ,they have to deal with Nuclear armed and energy rich Russia..

Global powers always manifest their Status through many realties.

The US is a Superpower because it has ::

1--Most Powerful nation economically
2-Most powerful nation militarly
3-Civilizational power (presented by the power of mass media/Hollywood)etc..
4--Technological power(Best Universties and research Centers)
5--Cultural Power:through the spread of the English Language and Western Values/religion..etc....


Rampart
Monday, October 27, 2008 9:59 AM
You forget one thing: per Capita Income in China is $2,600

You forget one thing... you are in debt.

US ... can always use India

Rrright... the way they tried to use India (and Pakistan) to send troops to Iraq early on? Both refused.

You really believe India is going to butt heads with China because you tell them to? LOL


they have to deal with Nuclear armed and energy rich Russia..


They are "dealing" with them just fine. They're pals.

Anything else?
rayyan
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:43 AM
You answers my Friend are very "Superficial" ...

China and India are 2 rivals..They fought a war over disputed terretories.The US HAS RECENTLY Signed a Nuclear deal which would permit India to increase its Nuclear arsenal considerably..Why? Because the US wants India to be a rival to the Chinese..

The Chinese are still asking the Japanese to acknowledge the Atrocities the Japanese Imperial forces committed agaimst China during WWII..A Resurgant Japan would scare the Hell out of East Asian Countries and specifically the Chinese..The Japanese percieve themselves as the "Masters of Asia" ,the way the Germans think that they are "Masters of Europe"..This mindset is there.Let Japan Go Nuclear and Observe how China will start screaming.

The Chinese hold part of US DEBT , but its in US dollars and the Americans have the $$ Printing Press..Plus,you didn't answer what would happen to the chinese factories if they LOOSE their major trading partner?They would go Bankrupt..


The Russians and Chinese are pals...Sure..Don't you hear that the Russians are afraid of the Settelment Activities that are taking place in their far eastern,sparsly populated regions BY chinese Farmers?

Go Read , my Friend,,,,
cleesburg
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:27 AM
rayyan, what you said, to me at least, is conventional and very "superficial" wisdom. China is not afraid of Japan and India going nuclear, because that means a further going-down of the Western world. None of China's big neighbors, be it Russia, Japan, or India, can match China in the sense of comprehensive power. China is a country, a race, and a civilization, for a giant upswing in its 3rd Millenium. Mark my words!
After two hundred years of decay, China regains its traditional confidence, buttressed by its long civilization. Of course, due to its recent decay and humiliation, a lot of Chinese-related people lost confidence. Even worse, some of them feel shame for having anything relating to China/Chinese. Some hates China and becomes China's enemy, anti-China more than anyone in the world. This is a unique "Hate Syndrome" worth all sorts of research study!
On the contrary, Japan is living constantly in fear, low-confidence and insucurity throughout its history. It's always a cultural colony. Currently it's a semi-US colony, not a real "normal" country. China welcomes Japan to become normal because it eventually is good for East Asian peoples, even though some Chinese emotionally oppose it in the short term. Farsight and wisdom in the Chinese side eventually win. In fact, in the eyes of elite Chinese, Japan always behaves like a lost child, both before and after WWII.
Currently, Europe is doing political consolidation, and China is doing economic consolidation. After that, the world indeed is anchored by a America-China-Europa triangle.
rayyan
Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:08 AM
Some Facts About China My Friend:

1--China is not as homogeneous as Japan..It has 58 ethnic minorities and many have secessionist claims.

2--Japan Militirism scares ALL OF EAST ASIANS COUNTRIES..The Chinese,Koreans,Philipinos still remember the opression they suffered under the Japanese.Talk with them and you'll know what I mean.Had it not been for the US,ALL of East Asia would have been colonized by the Japanese..Per Capita Income in Japan is around $35000.In China,it is $2,600...The Chinese still have a long way..

3--By 2040,India will be more populus than China..China's one child policy has created an imbalance in the populations's sex ratio structure.

4--China ,like Western countries is aging..Many economic researchers predict than China will AGE before it prospers.

5--I think you havn't read about the US-India Nuclear deal which will permit India to increase its plutonium production sigificantly..The Indian Agni-3 missile can target most of China's cities including Beijing..India is modernizing its Armed forces with discreet Israeli and American help.

6--The Chinese don't have a global cultural appeal like Western and Islamic cultures.They are self-absorbed and they tend to accomodate foreign ideologies but do not produce Ideologies of Global reach.(They took Bhuddism from India and merged it with Confuciaism and Daoism..They took Communism and transformed it to Maoism)..

7--China still have a lot of obsticles to concur..The dicrepancy of Income between regions might create social forces and split the country..
Rampart
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:00 PM
rayyan:

I think you ought to do some more reading. Let me help you start with my post.

1. India is not in China's class and never will be. Sorry.

2. Indian nuclear deal will not necessarily rseult in more nukes. Sorry.

3. Japan can't go nuclear. Sorry. For a country that has zero natural resources, going nuclear will mean starvation of industry and people. The US may be Japan's best friend, but they will never trust them with nukes, thank you very much. LOL.

They can have a nuke arsenal in 3 to 6 months if they choose (with the potential fissile material they already have)... but then what? A nuke runs out in about 8 years. They can't sustain that arsenal.

4. China and Russia have just resolved a border dispute with Russia giving up some of it's land to China.

5. Russia and China have agreed to an oil pipeline.

6. Nobody is going to murderize the US and deprive China of it's market. America will just have it's wings clipped. The fools... known as "American consumers"... will keep buying Chinese stuff at Walmart and not know anything about anything.

7. You are in debt and the slide down the toilet isn't going to stop. Repeating 'God bless America' to yourself might make you feel better, but it won't stop your trip down the tubes.
rayyan
Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:39 AM
1--India ,My friend,was the JEWEL OF THE BRITISH CROWN.Indian religions like Hinduosm and Bhuddisim have Infleunced ALL OF EAST AND SOUTH EAST COUNTRIES..By 2040,India will be the MOST POPULUS COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

2--Geographically,China has to face three strategic rivals..Russia to its North.India to its south West .Japan and Taiwan to its East..Not to mentionthe US 7th fleet.Militarly ,China ia no match to
either Russia or the US..


3--The US-Indian Deal will give India access to Nuclear technology and ALL ITS MILITRAY REactors will be dedicated towards increasing India's stockpile..India will have access to advanced American Nuclear Technology..(India's Military Reactors will be off limit to the IAEA)..

4--You Condradict Yourself..First you say that Japan can't go Nuclear then you say that it can build an arsenal in 3 to 6 months..Excess Plutonium that the Japanese hold on hand can permit them to build 2000 warheads..Missile Technology is there.Technologically Japan is more Advanced than China..If a political decsion is taken,they can go Nuclear..so can the Taiwanese..

5--The Japanese have used Nuclear energy because they lack significant energy sources..What the Japanese have is the HUMAN CAPITAL..

6--The US is trying to Control most of the world's oil..China is dependent n Midddle Eastern Oil..So the Chinese know how Vulnerable their Condition is..

7--You didn't answer ME..What about the Chinese settlements in Russia's Far East?An oil pipeline under russia's control will give the Russians a lot of clout over the Chinese..Ask the Germans and East Europeans about Russia's Behaviour with respect to the flow of Natural Gas..

8--The US faced the Great Depression and several economic Problems and eventually these problems were solved..

9--As long the US mIlitary is SUPREME,US hegemony is assured...Just Show me where are the Chinese Air Craft Carrier Battle Groups that dominate the World's Oceans and Seas and control
THE OIL ROUTES..The US Strategy is to control through its bases most of the world's oil..

7--Tell me why don't Central Banks keep Yuans instead of Dollars or Euros as reserve foreign currencies..Simple no body considers China a Major World economic power whose currency can be kept as reserve..
Rampart
Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:35 AM
I can discuss minutiae with you till the cows come home.... however, to save time, I have only two things to say to you.

1. Your post is too thin vertically. LOL (Margolis has really outdone himself with this new site)

2. You are in debt. You are going down the toilet.

Worry about your own USA instead of fretting about people who are going places.
LINCOLNSHIRE POACHER
Monday, October 27, 2008 11:11 AM
The US might have been there in the 1960 but couldn't afford to do it again, large tech gap yes but the big tech gap is expensive to use, take the US military for instance technological marvel but too expensive to deploy and use, it's no good to ya' if it can't be used, now especially when already broke and further finacial doom likely on the horizon
js8me
Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:09 AM
Afghannistan: Often Invaded, Rarely Conqured.

Back in 1992 living in islamabad i read an article in 'JANG' newspaper written by a Pakistani Columinist, who was begging his government to stay out of Afghanistan. He portraited Afghanistan as a swamp that's easy to get in, but impossible to get out clean.

Uncle Sam ignorance deluded its judgment when it came to invading Afghanistan and didn't learn from not-so-distant history.

At the time when 'the sun was not setting at Great Britain's colonized countries', it stopped shining in Afghanistan. After so many attempts and monsterious actions by creating Osama-Bin-Ladin-type-warlords to terrorize and to disctroy the spirit of brave Afghans, they failed miseribily and left the country embarassed and demoralized.

When the neighbouring countries lived under the terror to 'Red Army's intimedation', Afghanistan rose from the ashes and once again demoralized, humiliated yet another great power, thus leading them to a complete collapse. (This victory may falsely be claimed by many, but the truth is: it was the bravery of each and every Afghan that stood against the once greatest power and distroyed them with pride)

The ignorance and foolishness seemed to continue amongst Pakistanis leaders to get their hands dirty in Afghanistan and it's rapidly sinking down, taking his dearest uncle The Sam.

"One who posses nothing, is not afraid of losing it" goes very well for Afghans. They have nothing left and they are not afraid of loosing anything. Nobody wins any war by force in Afghanistan, it a known fact and this is in the body of every Afghan. They have the will and the patience to continue for as long as it takes, so do you have that luxry to continue this game?


Good Luck.

Aamir
Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:45 PM
I’m glad that China didn’t give cash to Pakistan but has signed various contracts worth more than what Pakistan was asking for. It is the high time for the current inept government in Pakistan to learn from the past mistakes and most importantly stop trusting Americans because they are not trustworthy.
cleesburg
Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:12 PM
Aamir, I totally agree with you. China is trying to tell Pakistan that ability to fish is much more important than fish itself, and China is always around as a close friend to help Pakistan to obtain these vital abilities.
Rampart
Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:37 AM
If China gets 26% shares of National Bank (in today's papers) then that's it. They are plugged into your economy and you no longer have the option to goof off like we have a habit of doing. The National Bank would only be the start.. a great start.

It would be a good thing. I trust the Chinese totally... far more than I trust our own people who like to go suck on American c--k every opportunity they get.

I am sick and tired of seeing these 'khabees' people who have sons and daughters studying in the US or who are imported from the US to rule over us (how many can you name? LOL).

America is a cancer. Anyone who touches it will get sick. Airborne ebola.

Many in Pakistan have been brainwashed into thinking this cancer/ebola is good for us. The Chinese, however, have the ability to make us snap out of it. Hopefully, one day soon, Pakistan and America will have ZERO contact. I don't even want to know if these people are alive on the same planet I am living on.
Heretic
Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:27 AM
It's sad when a govt lives above its' means. It's even sadder when the citizens of that country do the same thing. As a citizen of the U.S.A. I've seen the waste here. I won't bore you with the details. All I can say is that I'm not the least suprised at the financial mess. I'm not suprised that north america is sick. The real issue is when we will wake up and take back our country from the cretins that got us into this mess.
Calvin
Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:53 PM
EXCELLENT ARTICLE
I loved your column " The Sick Man of North America. Hits the nail right on the head. The sad fact is the highly incompetent Bush Administration is not the only ones to blame for the economic crisis. Although the failed and highly costly wars in Iraq and Afghanistan did nothing to help.Banks giving out mortages to people working at Dairy Queen, families living a $100 per hour lifestyle on $10 per hour and an insatiable drive for the finer things in life also contributed. While the U.S. government is at it, why not sell Manhattan back to the Indians.
LINCOLNSHIRE POACHER
Monday, October 27, 2008 11:04 AM
Wonder how a bird flu epedemic would play out right now, US already the sick man,
Canada salesman to the sick man and figure asia would be affected worse by an epedemic. But maybe not functionally worse, we here in north america seem to be affected by disaster on a different scale I guess by not having to deal with major problems on home soil (world wars, near total destruction etc) and cushy lifestyle, when your biggest concerns have been too much cholesterol, obesity and which new car to buy. It could deal a death blow of panic
Syed Abbas
Sunday, November 23, 2008 12:22 AM

In the 1950s there were two Communist powers - Russia and China.

The Russians, having recently sent the Sputnik into space, bragged of burying Capitalism soon. Mr. Khruschev even famously banged his shoe on the UN Podium.

The venerable Mao asked his people to concentrate on building their nation, and ignore America, calling it a paper tiger. And that was well before the rout in Viet-Nam, the quagmire in Iraq, the debacle in Afghanistan.

Feet of clay, indeed.

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